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A Giant ape may be new species
News.com.au ^ | October 7th, 2004

Posted on 10/08/2004 8:49:00 PM PDT by missyme

AN elusive giant ape has been spotted in remote forests in central Africa, sparking theories that it could be a new species of primate - a finding that would be the most astonishing wildlife discovery in decades, New Scientist says.

In a report published in next Saturday's issue, the British weekly says the mysterious creatures have been seen in forests around the towns of Bondo and Bili, in the far north of the Democratic Republic of Congo.

From the rare eyewitness sightings, bone discoveries and a video recording, the animals have large, black faces, are up to 2m tall and weighs between 85-102kg.

That would put them in the size category of gorillas - but the region lies 500km from the edges of the known habitats of the western and eastern species of gorilla.

The creature's face is gorilla-like and has a sagittal crest - a long bony ridge - that is typical of gorillas.

But other aspects of the skull morphology are that of a chimpanzee, according to Colin Groves, an expert at the Australian National University in Canberra.

As for behaviour, the apes make nests on the ground like gorillas, whereas chimpanzees prefer to make their homes in the trees. But, unlike gorillas, which hate water and prefer to build a new nest every night, these primates make their beds in swampy ground and reuse them night after night.

Faeces recovered from the nest sites indicated an animal with a diet rich in fruit, which is typical of chimps.

Shelly Williams, a US primatologist affiliated to the Jane Goodall Institute in Maryland, captured the apes on video in 2002 with the help of local people and was once briefly confronted by a group of four of them in dense forest.

This, along with other evidence, makes her think that there is a chance the animals could be a new species of great primate - in other words, an undiscovered genetic relative of humans.

Other possibilities are that it is a gorilla-chimp hybrid, or a new sub-species of chimp that would be 50 per cent bigger than its largest cousins.

Anecdotal evidence about the unusual apes dates back to photos taken by European hunters in 1898, when the region was the Belgian Congo.

The trail was then picked up in 1996 by Karl Ammann, a Kenyan-based Swiss photographer, who was intrigued by local tales that the forests were inhabited by large ferocious apes that could kill lions.

Unlike gorillas, which invariably charge when they see a threat, these apes turn around and silently slip away into the forest when encountered, says Mr Ammann.

The discovery of these apes "reveals just how much we still have to learn about our closest living relatives," New Scientist notes, expressing concern that animals could be "poached out of existence" unless conservation measures are urgently taken to protect them.


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To: missyme
Jane? It's Cheetah.

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21 posted on 10/08/2004 8:57:00 PM PDT by martin_fierro (So to speak, if you will.)
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To: martin_fierro

EEEEEEEEEEEEEgads!!!!!!!!!!1


22 posted on 10/08/2004 8:57:20 PM PDT by Sarajevo (The history of the preceding century began in Sarajevo)
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To: missyme
He looks better Before!!!

Yes, but this shaved ape "has a plan"

23 posted on 10/08/2004 8:58:39 PM PDT by Redcoat LI ("I am the great and powerful Kerry! Look at my medals!")
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To: EternalVigilance

Must be a regional thing, either that or it's because I'm White!

(When all else fails play the Race Card!)


24 posted on 10/08/2004 8:59:32 PM PDT by TexasTransplant ((I made my Fortune selling Sugar Coated Cat Turds on a Stick at the DNC Convention ©))
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To: missyme

Nothing to see here folks. These people have obviously mistaken John Kerry for a new species of Ape


25 posted on 10/08/2004 8:59:39 PM PDT by Dr. Marten (John Kerry takes a stand: http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/)
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To: missyme

I can answer that in two words. The second word is "no". For the first word, use your imagination.


26 posted on 10/08/2004 9:00:34 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Please don't put me on your ping list just because I replied to one of your posts. Thank you.)
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To: Texas Eagle

27 posted on 10/08/2004 9:01:09 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Where do you think AIDS started, this is probably a product of one of those unions


28 posted on 10/08/2004 9:02:25 PM PDT by debboo (Stop socialism, vote conservative)
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To: TexasTransplant

CAn you be a White Ape?


29 posted on 10/08/2004 9:02:40 PM PDT by missyme
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To: martin_fierro

Why insult poor Cheetah???


30 posted on 10/08/2004 9:03:36 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

How do they taste?


31 posted on 10/08/2004 9:04:15 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry lied, good men died!)
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To: Henchman

I never ate a Ape YUK!


32 posted on 10/08/2004 9:05:14 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

33 posted on 10/08/2004 9:05:54 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Please don't put me on your ping list just because I replied to one of your posts. Thank you.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Grape Ape? Where did you find him?


34 posted on 10/08/2004 9:07:34 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme
That would put them in the size category of gorillas - but the region lies 500km from the edges of the known habitats of the western and eastern species of gorilla. The creature's face is gorilla-like and has a sagittal crest - a long bony ridge - that is typical of gorillas. But other aspects of the skull morphology are that of a chimpanzee, according to Colin Groves, an expert at the Australian National University in Canberra.

At the risk of sounding risque', does anyone know if Magilla Gorilla has been lookin for love on the Chimp side of the tracks?

35 posted on 10/08/2004 9:08:27 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: missyme

In the forests of Africa.


36 posted on 10/08/2004 9:08:34 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Please don't put me on your ping list just because I replied to one of your posts. Thank you.)
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To: missyme
Gigantopithecus blacki was a species of giant primate that lived in SE Asia. Not much is known about them. The area isn't great for fossil formation. From what has been found, paleontologists have extrapolated a height of roughly 3 meters and a weight of ~500 kg. It lived up until about 400,000 years ago. There's some thought that it may be the origin of the Bigfoot and Yeti tales, assuming that they really survived until a later date than 400,000 years ago. (Long enough to have been observed by early humans.)

This creature is being described as 2 meters tall and only 100 kg. That's rather lanky for an ape. I wonder if there's a typo in the story.

37 posted on 10/08/2004 9:10:40 PM PDT by Redcloak (Vikings plundered my last tag line.)
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To: No Longer Free State

DO Gorillas and Chimps connect? I'm not sure...


38 posted on 10/08/2004 9:12:23 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme
I just did a search.

But you can find where any pic comes from by right clicking on the pic and then clicking "properties". Just cut and paste the addy (stopping after the .com) and you'll go right to the originating website.

39 posted on 10/08/2004 9:13:27 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Please don't put me on your ping list just because I replied to one of your posts. Thank you.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Have you been to Africa? The last 2 places I would ever want to vist is Africa and Asia, I never really got off on primates....


40 posted on 10/08/2004 9:15:07 PM PDT by missyme
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