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A Giant ape may be new species
News.com.au ^ | October 7th, 2004

Posted on 10/08/2004 8:49:00 PM PDT by missyme

AN elusive giant ape has been spotted in remote forests in central Africa, sparking theories that it could be a new species of primate - a finding that would be the most astonishing wildlife discovery in decades, New Scientist says.

In a report published in next Saturday's issue, the British weekly says the mysterious creatures have been seen in forests around the towns of Bondo and Bili, in the far north of the Democratic Republic of Congo.

From the rare eyewitness sightings, bone discoveries and a video recording, the animals have large, black faces, are up to 2m tall and weighs between 85-102kg.

That would put them in the size category of gorillas - but the region lies 500km from the edges of the known habitats of the western and eastern species of gorilla.

The creature's face is gorilla-like and has a sagittal crest - a long bony ridge - that is typical of gorillas.

But other aspects of the skull morphology are that of a chimpanzee, according to Colin Groves, an expert at the Australian National University in Canberra.

As for behaviour, the apes make nests on the ground like gorillas, whereas chimpanzees prefer to make their homes in the trees. But, unlike gorillas, which hate water and prefer to build a new nest every night, these primates make their beds in swampy ground and reuse them night after night.

Faeces recovered from the nest sites indicated an animal with a diet rich in fruit, which is typical of chimps.

Shelly Williams, a US primatologist affiliated to the Jane Goodall Institute in Maryland, captured the apes on video in 2002 with the help of local people and was once briefly confronted by a group of four of them in dense forest.

This, along with other evidence, makes her think that there is a chance the animals could be a new species of great primate - in other words, an undiscovered genetic relative of humans.

Other possibilities are that it is a gorilla-chimp hybrid, or a new sub-species of chimp that would be 50 per cent bigger than its largest cousins.

Anecdotal evidence about the unusual apes dates back to photos taken by European hunters in 1898, when the region was the Belgian Congo.

The trail was then picked up in 1996 by Karl Ammann, a Kenyan-based Swiss photographer, who was intrigued by local tales that the forests were inhabited by large ferocious apes that could kill lions.

Unlike gorillas, which invariably charge when they see a threat, these apes turn around and silently slip away into the forest when encountered, says Mr Ammann.

The discovery of these apes "reveals just how much we still have to learn about our closest living relatives," New Scientist notes, expressing concern that animals could be "poached out of existence" unless conservation measures are urgently taken to protect them.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
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To: missyme

Jane Goodall was in Greystoke?


61 posted on 10/08/2004 9:36:26 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Please don't put me on your ping list just because I replied to one of your posts. Thank you.)
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To: missyme

man, i once saw this giant ape! the girl would play "beautiful dreamer" on the piano, and the ape would lift her and the piano up into the air!!! it's TRUE, i tell ya, TRUE!!


62 posted on 10/08/2004 9:36:33 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: Boazo
Now that's funny! :^)


63 posted on 10/08/2004 9:37:10 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Democrats: The blind leading the stupid enabling the evil.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

Right..You never ate a monkey, no one would unless you were a native....


64 posted on 10/08/2004 9:37:30 PM PDT by missyme
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To: Texas Eagle

I think she was....


65 posted on 10/08/2004 9:38:58 PM PDT by missyme
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To: codyjacksmom

I didn't do it...oh, what?


66 posted on 10/08/2004 9:39:42 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: drhogan
And I thought I did a lot of drugs.
67 posted on 10/08/2004 9:39:54 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Please don't put me on your ping list just because I replied to one of your posts. Thank you.)
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To: missyme
Everyone's a native of somewhere.

Mmmmm...I think I'll do some monkeyfishing this weekend.

68 posted on 10/08/2004 9:40:41 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: missyme

You sure that wasn't Jane Seymour?


69 posted on 10/08/2004 9:41:18 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Please don't put me on your ping list just because I replied to one of your posts. Thank you.)
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To: Texas Eagle

70 posted on 10/08/2004 9:41:36 PM PDT by missyme
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To: ApesForEvolution
They wrote an article on you...thought you may want to check it for accuracy. LOL
71 posted on 10/08/2004 9:42:31 PM PDT by codyjacksmom (Attention All Girlie-men...Please don't forget your foo foo's on the way out the door.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

Not that kind of native the other... Spears and Bone Natives...


72 posted on 10/08/2004 9:43:00 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme
Spears and Bone Natives...

Isn't that that group at Yale that all the rich kids like GWB and JFK belonged to?

I knew about the world domination stuff, but I never knew they ate monkeys.

73 posted on 10/08/2004 9:44:29 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: codyjacksmom

Pleading the 5th...lol


74 posted on 10/08/2004 9:44:30 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: Texas Eagle
I didn't even know Africa had forests. I thought it was either jungle or deserts.

IIRC, Africa is the most forested continent on the planet, as a percentage of land. Huge swaths of Africa have never met even 18th century industrialization.

The deforestation and lack of forest in the world is one of the great myths of the environmental left. It is only true in Europe, and to a lesser extent, Asia. Most of the rest of the world is as forested or more forested that it was a few hundred years ago, including North America.

75 posted on 10/08/2004 9:45:19 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Redcoat LI

LOL.... tooooooo funny!!!


76 posted on 10/08/2004 9:45:26 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Texas Eagle

if you've never seen the original version of Mighty Joe Young, go out and rent it now.
i can never hear "beautiful dreamer" without imagining a giant gorilla!


77 posted on 10/08/2004 9:46:04 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: missyme

Oh this is marketing by ABC for their new series "LOST".


78 posted on 10/08/2004 9:47:48 PM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: drhogan
if you've never seen the original version of Mighty Joe Young, go out and rent it now.

It's past my bedtime. I'll try to remember it the next time we rent a movie, though. Thanks for the suggestion.

i can never hear "beautiful dreamer" without imagining a giant gorilla!

The mind works in mysterious ways don't it?

79 posted on 10/08/2004 9:49:34 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (Please don't put me on your ping list just because I replied to one of your posts. Thank you.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Hmmmm...says you may be a hybrid. hahahaha
80 posted on 10/08/2004 9:50:09 PM PDT by codyjacksmom (Attention All Girlie-men...Please don't forget your foo foo's on the way out the door.)
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