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To: Askel5

So you've settled your mind on it then hm?
Do you think the Russians did Belsan, the theater, the subway, and those two planes as well? Did Russia somehow fake the invasion of Daegestan from Chechnya by Baseyev, which killed over 1000 Russians? I'd compare the whole line of speculation with dog vomit. It's about as absurd as those who say Israel did 9/11.

I guess the only interesting aspect of the discussion, is what mentality predisposes you to believe in such talk. Why is the theory so appealing to you? It fills some gap somehow? If the theory didn't exist, would you have to make it up? You talk about the theory as if it must be true -- how shocked would you be to find out that it is totally unfounded and bogus?


6 posted on 10/09/2004 6:55:51 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

=== Did Russia somehow fake the invasion of Daegestan from Chechnya by Baseyev, which killed over 1000 Russians?


Oh, the "conversion" of Dudayev, perhaps. But that didn't take as well as they thought else we'd never have been brought in to "help" make sure he was offed once his usefulness (or hypnotic willingness to serve as not-so-sincere agent of the revolution) was over.

I think those who -- like you -- base the fact that less than 1% of Americans feel any guilt for the deaths inflicted before World War II by German camps or German and Austrian physicians (as part of the Good Death push to cleanse the nation of defectives) or the forced repatriation of White Russians and packing off of millions of Poles and other dysgenics AFTER the War on anything but RANK AMERICAN IGNORANCE of the facts regarding our complicity and the hand-in-glove operation of the media and government to bend reality is really not well-positioned to argue what is and is not possible or likely where concerns Continuing strategies and means deployed by the Usual Suspects.

Give the blades of your beanie a spin for me and tighten those chin straps with pride, Mount Athos. I have no time to waste with the likes of you.


7 posted on 10/09/2004 7:07:35 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Mount Athos
Between the Chechen Islamists and Putin, we're seeing a repeat on a smaller scale of WWII's Eastern Front. A fight where both sides are the bad guys.

The apartment bombings have always stuck out as different in the list of Chechen atrocities. They were so successful, they occurred at the right moment for Putin to consolidate power, and they haven't been repeated. Why not? If you're the Chechens, wouldn't it make more sense to continue with apartment bombings that kill hundreds of Russians without any Chechen casualties? The theater and Beslan operations cost the Chechens dozens of operatives. I know that the Islamists are obsessed with martyrdom, but wouldn't it help their cause more to keep on killing Russians without losing their own people? Saving them for other fights in Chechnya itself? Of course, one can never underestimate the stupidity of Islamists.

And it's not surprising that many Russians are suspicious at times of Putin. His first reaction to Beslan was to consolidate his power over other Russians, not to hit the Chechens harder. Sort of what the Democrats always erroneously accuse Ashcroft of doing with the Patriot Act.

11 posted on 10/09/2004 8:05:45 PM PDT by LenS
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