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Russia’s right about Chechnya: United States shouldn’t support rebellious terrorists
da.wvu.edu ^ | Friday, Jan. 14, 2000 | Lars-Erik Nelson

Posted on 10/10/2004 1:37:13 PM PDT by Destro

Friday, Jan. 14, 2000

Russia’s right about Chechnya
United States shouldn’t support rebellious terrorists

Imagine if a self-proclaimed Comanche Republic arose in south Texas, began kidnapping people and holding them for ransom, televised the beheadings of its captives and sent terrorists into our biggest cities to blow up apartment buildings.

How should we respond?

Negotiate, says Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican seeking the GOP’s 2000 presidential nomination. At least, that’s his demand upon the new acting president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, as Putin tries to suppress an uprising in Chechnya.

If the newly installed Putin does not ease up on the Chechens, McCain says, the U.S. should withhold the aid that might help Russia, at long last, embark on real democratic and economic reform.

Talk about a counterproductive policy! America has a far greater stake in a friendly, stable though democratically imperfect Russia than it does in a quasi-independent, inevitably hostile, gunrunning, drug-smuggling, historically terrorist Chechnya.

And now, my apologies to the Comanches. Russia’s Chechen terrorists are far crueler, and were far more dangerous to the world’s safety, than the Comanches ever were. In their murderous depredations against their neighbors in Russia’s northern Caucasus, they make Slobodan Milosevic’s Serb goons of Kosovo look like a Red Cross team.

Yes, the Chechens have suffered over the centuries at the hands of the Russians. They were conquered in the 18th and 19th centuries, subjugated, communized and then deported, en masse, with the invading Nazi army. And, yes, innocent Chechen civilians are suffering now as the Russan Army tries to crush the insurrection. They should not be blamed, as a people, for crimes committed by terrorist bands.

But neither can Russia negotiate a political solution with the Chechen terrorists. The Chechens are not about to surrender their dream of independence. Even if defeated, they promise to wage guerrilla war from the hills until they drive the Russians out.

In the past three years of relative autonomy, no one in Chechnya has been able to restrain the murderers among them. Chechens have twice invaded Dagestan. They engaged in ethnic cleansing of Christian Georgians. They have kidnapped and beheaded journalists, communications workers and aid workers. They have been blamed for blowing up apartment buildings in Moscow and Volograd, killing 300 people.

An independent or semiautonomous Chechnya would quickly join the ranks of the rogue states that McCain and other Republicans are so quick to condemn. On the basis of Chechen conduct so far, independent Chechnya would be a militant Islamic republic that has no compunction about attacking its neighbors, running guns, carrying out kidnappings and profiting from crime.

Russia’s brutal war against the Chechens has brought out an ugly side of Russian society: a near-racist cheerleading, even among the most democratic Russians, for the cruelest actions by the Russian Army.

But Chechnya also is bringing about a disconcerting side of American politics: the instinct that anybody who fights against the Russians somehow deserves our sympathy.

For years, we told the Russian people we had no quarrel with them; we only opposed their repressive Communist system. Now it looks as if we cannot give up the Russians as our eternal enemy.

Lars-Erik Nelson is a syndicated columnist


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: caucasus; chechnya
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From 2000 - From the shameful GOP memory hole. The Deomcrats are just as bad - from the GOP side I can say the GOP WERE just as bad until 9/11/01 woke Bush up. That is why Bush is in my mind a God appointed president exactly suited for this time. If he was not president when he was we would have had either a Gore or McCain siding with Islamic terrorists (like Clinton/Gore did during their 8 years which McCain cheerleaded) on the eve of that dark day. A Russia seeing America lead by those bought off anti-Russian fools would not have been so quick to help in Afghanistan and to give Bush the heads up that a 9/11 was about to happen or that Iraq was planning terrorist attacks on America like Putin did.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said yesterday that his intelligence service had warned the Bush administration before the U.S. invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein's government was planning attacks against U.S. targets both inside and outside the country. Two years ago, in an interview with British documentary makers after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Putin said he had personally warned Bush a day or two before the assaults that some kind of terrorist operation seemed to be in the works.

1 posted on 10/10/2004 1:37:14 PM PDT by Destro
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So who are these powerful Americans who are running interference for the Chechens and why?

The Chechens' American friends

2 posted on 10/10/2004 1:40:31 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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When people talk about Chechnya, I just don't understand why people ignore the fact that Russia left Chechnya alone for 3 years, 1996-99. No Russian troops in Chechnya at all, Chechnya left to govern itself. During those 3 years, Chechens committed multiple terrorist acts around Russia, and invaded Daegestan, which alone killed over 1000 Russians. The government Chechnya chose for itself began implementing strict Sharia, and placed an embassy in Taliban Afghanistan. Chechnya's main industry seemed to be kidnapping Russians for ransom.

Russia tried leaving Chechnya alone, it just didn't work. Chechens just used the conceeded terroritory to launch deeper incursions into Russia, seeking ever more territory. Chechen terrorist Basayev openly sought an Islamic Republic carved out of Russia, from the Baltic to the Black sea.


3 posted on 10/10/2004 1:43:35 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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There certainly was a time when anyone who fought the Soviets could ask for our support. But those days are past, at least for now.

At this juncture we should give our support to Putin as he struggles with Islamist terror. We have a common foe every bit as evil and dangerous as Nazi Germany.

In order to defeat Hitler we were willing to link arms with a terrible dictator, Stalin. We can and should now work hand in hand with the burgeoning Russian democracy to defeat the global Islamist jihad.
4 posted on 10/10/2004 1:43:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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From: When the Candidate was a Terrorist

Basayev ran on his war record. "Candidate Basayev," reported the Philadelphia Inquirer, "has compiled what amounts to a greatest-hits video of his audacious war exploits and turned it into a campaign advertisement. At any hour of the day or night, people in this ruined land can tune to a pro-Basayev television station and watch graphic reruns of the most savage moments in Chechnya's 21-month-long war with Moscow, all starring the controversial rebel. There's Basayev, the daring commander, laying siege to the Russian town of Budennovsk, where civilian hostages were doused with gasoline."

One Basayev supporter told Moscow Times correspondent Gall: "I voted for Basayev because I want to show Russia that they may see him as a terrorist, but we do not."

Then Maskhadov named Basayev deputy prime minister. A year later, he made Basayev prime minister and asked him to form a government.

5 posted on 10/10/2004 1:45:17 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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"But Chechnya also is bringing about a disconcerting side of American politics: the instinct that anybody who fights against the Russians somehow deserves our sympathy.

"For years, we told the Russian people we had no quarrel with them; we only opposed their repressive Communist system. Now it looks as if we cannot give up the Russians as our eternal enemy."

6 posted on 10/10/2004 1:48:17 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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I guess I disagree with that. We have no natural enmity to Russia as we did with the Soviet empire. Make no mistake, Russia is and will continue to be a major world power with whom we are likely to have future conflicts. But for now there is an immediate threat to the entire western civilization, and we can fight alongside the Russians, even if they do things we might not otherwise approve of.
7 posted on 10/10/2004 1:51:47 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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I think you misread - the author states that there are some Americans "that cannot give up the Russians as our eternal enemy." I would not place you in that category.


8 posted on 10/10/2004 1:56:05 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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So, does Chechnya harbor terrorists or not? And what was it our President said about that?


9 posted on 10/10/2004 2:11:54 PM PDT by daybreakcoming ("The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!",,,,,,Baghdad Bob)
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What Bush said before 9/11 in regards to Chechenya? You don't want to know.


10 posted on 10/10/2004 2:21:51 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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What Bush said before 9/11 in regards to Chechenya? You don't want to know.

PS: It was not as bad as McCain's position but it was upsetting (but understandable - Bush could not appear "weaker" on Russia to the media during the primary). In the end McCain was exposed as a nut job hot head and praise be to God, lost the GOP nomination to Bush.

11 posted on 10/10/2004 2:24:30 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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Since 9/11 everybody now knows TERRORIST ARE TERRORISTS..

I have several cousins active in the IRA. Since 9/11 almost NO money from the US...

No wonder they want to make peace..


12 posted on 10/10/2004 2:33:07 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: Destro
> How should we respond?

Simple: we'd exterminate them.

13 posted on 10/10/2004 2:35:27 PM PDT by judywillow
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To: Destro

bump


14 posted on 10/10/2004 2:36:36 PM PDT by VOA
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"So who are these powerful Americans who are running interference for the Chechens and why? "

My personal answer would include NPR (National Public Radio).

Probably in about the early 1990s, I remember hearing an NPR report about the
region of Chechnya. It discussed just about every aspect about their history, culture
and language, including a nice set-up to make them look like nice guys compared to the guys in Moscow.

What was left out?
Islam/Muslim terrorist aspect of the conflict.

Why?
NPR. Need I say any more?


15 posted on 10/10/2004 2:39:46 PM PDT by VOA
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I am familiar with US policy pre 9/11 re Chechenya. You are probably even moreso. What I was referring to was after 9/11 when Pres Bush stated "those who harbor terrorists" and my question was "are we going to stand by that statement or not?"


16 posted on 10/10/2004 2:47:32 PM PDT by daybreakcoming ("The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!",,,,,,Baghdad Bob)
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Bush would -but there are powerful elements in our govt who will not allow such a promise to be enacted in full.


17 posted on 10/10/2004 2:49:30 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Mount Athos
Russia tried leaving Chechnya alone, it just didn't work.

Point worth the repeating again and again.

19 posted on 10/10/2004 4:53:53 PM PDT by A. Pole (MadeleineAlbright:"I fell in love with Americans in uniform.And I continue to have that love affair")
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Then Maskhadov named Basayev deputy prime minister. A year later, he made Basayev prime minister and asked him to form a government.

And then the same Western crowd which helped KLA in Kosovo proclaims Maskhadov to be the second Gandhi.

20 posted on 10/10/2004 4:57:17 PM PDT by A. Pole (MadeleineAlbright:"I fell in love with Americans in uniform.And I continue to have that love affair")
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