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Swearing Student Faces Jail Time
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Posted on 10/11/2004 10:47:14 AM PDT by esryle

WILMINGTON, N.C. -- A North Carolina teenager may have to go to jail for using foul language with a high school teacher.

Glenn Gattis and his parents don't deny that he cursed or has had other disciplinary problems at Ashley High School in Wilmington. But they said the misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct is an overreaction.

The 17-year-old Gattis said he became frustrated and used bad language when he got in trouble for being late to class again. He said he was ultimately stopped by deputies working as school resource officers, who gave him a citation for using language meant to provoke violence. He was also suspended for three days.

Gattis' mother said she could understand if her son had to serve detention at school. But he could get up to 30 days in jail. The family has hired a lawyer to fight the charge.

School officials aren't commenting.


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1 posted on 10/11/2004 10:47:15 AM PDT by esryle
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To: esryle

If the swearing was really loud, persistant, extreme, and close-in-your-face, I could see it being justified.


2 posted on 10/11/2004 10:50:02 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: esryle
One major reason why private schools are better than government schools, is that a private school is free to kick out the troublemakers.

I'm not sure I want to completely defend jail-time for swearing, but this kid seems like someone who should not be in the school. Get him out, and watch the other children benefit. If jail-time for swearing is the easiest way to get him out of the school, then I say go for it.

3 posted on 10/11/2004 10:51:19 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: esryle

This stuff makes the news? Starting around age 13, they've been giving out tickets for language for years around here. I thought the one issued for a misuse of the word "asphalt" was taking it a bit overboard.


4 posted on 10/11/2004 10:53:01 AM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: esryle

That boy needed an ass whipping a long time ago. Too late now I fear


5 posted on 10/11/2004 10:54:41 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: esryle
Swearing Student Faces Jail Time

Ah,.....U.N. British anti-social laws in effect in U.S. colonial states.

/freedom of speech?

6 posted on 10/11/2004 10:57:38 AM PDT by maestro
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To: esryle; Conspiracy Guy

At least he didn't get docked 25 drivers points.


7 posted on 10/11/2004 11:02:55 AM PDT by Laura Earl (No man is an island, but some are peninsulas.)
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To: Laura Earl

Amen! And a $20K fine (or whatever it was). If Jr. loses by less than 25 points, at least WE'LL know who the REAL champion was!!!!!!!!!!!!


8 posted on 10/11/2004 11:08:11 AM PDT by SavageRepublican (everything I own is covered in cat hair (Hi BuddyLove))
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To: Mount Athos

If the swearing in school was AUDIBLE, I could see this being justified.

At some point, we must take back our society from the barbarians, and those whose education in civic behavior is absent.


9 posted on 10/11/2004 11:24:36 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: ClearCase_guy
"...this kid seems like someone who should not be in the school. Get him out, and watch the other children benefit."

BINGO!
The perfect point!

10 posted on 10/11/2004 11:26:16 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: misterrob
That boy needed an ass whipping a long time ago. Too late now I fear

He would have gotten probably two of them in my day (Yes, I'm old) One from the school and one from the parents and probably expelled (Not detention)

It never happened and I cannot imagine it ever happening.

11 posted on 10/11/2004 11:27:56 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Laura Earl

True.


12 posted on 10/11/2004 11:28:15 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather, "I lied, but I lied about the truth".)
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To: Redbob
I second your " B I N G O ! "

I was lucky enough to have one of the best public school educations in the world because at that time (previous century) our great loving & lovable teachers didn't take even a microgram of crap from any potential troublemakers.

13 posted on 10/11/2004 11:32:51 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

My 13 year old grandson was suspended for the same offence. I explained to him the legal definition of "assault", which does not include laying hands on another but only putting that person in fear that you will, and okay, I cheated by telling him the American penalty (Canada has no penalties for any crime other than a stern finger-wag from a judge) and what happened to Dale Jr. But then I told his mother that it might be a good idea if SHE would set a better example in her own language. I daresay that brat's mother probably taught him to curse before he could say Mama and Dadda.


14 posted on 10/11/2004 11:35:26 AM PDT by KateatRFM
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To: ClearCase_guy

Our public school has done a better job of kicking out students.

My son went to private school from k-2nd grade. They had kids with real discipline problems. One of the kids who has been in and out of the hospital for pscychiatric problems, the private school just let the kid in with all the other kids, and never really handled the situation. He finally left the school because his parents got divorced and couldn't pay the tuition.

In public school, after a few months in a regular school, he was placed in a school for kids with behavior (and other) problems. The special ed school had small classes, aids, and therapist to help these kids.

We've now been in public school for several years and a kid in kindergarten was kicked out after he kicked some parents. Another kid who was a transfer student was kicked out of the school. The school wasn't her neighborhood school, so they could kick her back to her neighborhood school. Several kids have beens suspended for cussing.

I've been impressed with the discipline at my kid's public school (and it's even in California).


15 posted on 10/11/2004 11:35:38 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: esryle

I trust that since foul language is illegal, there won't be any of it used by the officers or guards in the jail where this kid is to be confined??


16 posted on 10/11/2004 11:37:56 AM PDT by Charlotte Corday (I don't burn the flag because I can. I will burn the flag if I can't.)
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To: SavageRepublican

You've got that right!!


17 posted on 10/11/2004 11:39:25 AM PDT by Laura Earl (No man is an island, but some are peninsulas.)
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To: KateatRFM

Manners are so overlooked.


18 posted on 10/11/2004 11:43:16 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather, "I lied, but I lied about the truth".)
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To: esryle
Glenn Gattis and his parents don't deny that he cursed or has had other disciplinary problems at Ashley High School in Wilmington. But they said the misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct is an overreaction.

He’s only a student, and everybody knows that laws are only intended for adults. < / sarcasm>
Maybe we would have fewer discipline problems in our schools if the dear little innocent children were held to the same standard in the school as they are on the street. Even physical attacks are commonly dealt with by the school – by issuing a sharp reprimand (usually to both the assailant and the victim) or at the most detention. What’s wrong with enforcing the law inside the school?

19 posted on 10/11/2004 11:46:22 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: esryle

I am waiting for the day (hoping for it) when other students in class file suit against these disruptive troublemakers for theft of educational class time.


20 posted on 10/11/2004 11:47:39 AM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Charlotte Corday
I trust that since foul language is illegal, there won't be any of it used by the officers or guards in the jail where this kid is to be confined??

Probably not. Most juvenile detention facilities (juveniles seldom go to jail) do not condone foul language from the staff.

21 posted on 10/11/2004 11:50:01 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: GoLightly
I thought the one issued for a misuse of the word "asphalt" was taking it a bit overboard.

You're right. I mean, isn't asphalt a medical term?

22 posted on 10/11/2004 11:51:01 AM PDT by Will_Kansas
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To: Will_Kansas

The way he used the word would have fit right into anatomy class.


23 posted on 10/11/2004 12:07:27 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: esryle

jail the punk.


24 posted on 10/11/2004 12:08:29 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Continental Soldier

Much of this stuff goes on in the bus & during recess.


25 posted on 10/11/2004 12:08:51 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: Will_Kansas
No, no, no, no, no,....it's "Asperger's Syndrome".

(/sarcasm from an undiagnosed, but very medically literate former sufferer of said condition.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFF the "medikal (in it fur a buck) cummunity" !!!!!!!!!
A-holes. They should pitch for the Astros!)

(OooooooH...Savage said A$$ again...let's dock her some championship points!!!)

26 posted on 10/11/2004 12:10:58 PM PDT by SavageRepublican (everything I own is covered in cat hair (Hi BuddyLove))
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To: esryle

This child has problems that have nothing to do with swearing. The time to find out what they are and try to fix them is now, before it slips away.


27 posted on 10/11/2004 12:11:38 PM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: JesseHousman
jail the punk.

Perfect, just perfect.

28 posted on 10/11/2004 12:12:28 PM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: Redbob
If the swearing in school was AUDIBLE, I could see this being justified.

Jail time for cussing...? What the he!! has happened to this Country.

29 posted on 10/11/2004 12:37:49 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Constitution Day

This, shamefully is an NC news story...


30 posted on 10/11/2004 12:40:44 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Protagoras

Wait a minute..do we AGREE on something????


31 posted on 10/11/2004 12:41:46 PM PDT by Laura Earl (No man is an island, but some are peninsulas.)
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To: Laura Earl

I'd bet we agree on plenty.
But it's no fun slapping each other on the back.


32 posted on 10/11/2004 1:39:43 PM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: Protagoras

I'm sure you will irritate me about something soon.....;)


33 posted on 10/11/2004 1:40:52 PM PDT by Laura Earl (No man is an island, but some are peninsulas.)
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To: Laura Earl

I'll do my best.
:^}


34 posted on 10/11/2004 1:43:49 PM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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To: misterrob

Hold it right there, Mister. That'll be a citation for you.


35 posted on 10/11/2004 3:39:09 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: KateatRFM

I don't curse in front of my children, or even my own mother or siblings! Sometimes I'm out with the kids ( they're 11 and 15 ) somewhere and I'll run into a friend. If they curse I just cringe inside. My kids will give me that look, total disapproval !! It's such a bad example to set, not to mention lack of discipline if you can't even censor your language in front of children, IMO. The only word I ever heard my Dad say was damn, and that's when he accidentally fell off the roof !


36 posted on 10/11/2004 3:52:22 PM PDT by Rainmist (Proud to be GenerationReagan !!!!)
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To: maestro
Swearing Student Faces Jail Time

Ah,.....U.N. British anti-social laws in effect
in U.S. colonial states.

Freedom of speech?

Instead of the American Bar Association how
about using a American Bar of Soap in the Mouth.
It work on me. It will work on others.

And yes I agree with you about the old
monarchy wanting to rule the colonies again...


37 posted on 10/11/2004 4:50:56 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker ("Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.")
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