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ALAN KEYES, MR. RADIOACTIVE
Realclearpolitics.com ^ | 10-11-04

Posted on 10/11/2004 11:11:38 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: Dave S; Jim Robinson
How much of his time did he spend on abortion, gays, and other cultural issues as opposed to national defense and economic issues?

Keyes gave the best apologetic for the Bush foreign policy that I've heard out of anyone. He left Obama looking like exactly what he is: a second-rate liberal state senator who could only mouth the Kerry talking points of the day, and who is naive to say the least about world affairs.

He killed Obama on agriculture. He killed him on Illinois infrastructure issues. He beat him on taxes. Etc.

You don't have to take my word for it. The whole debate is available on mp3 at Keyes' website.

Reality is nothing like your gross caricature of the man, sir.

221 posted on 10/13/2004 7:27:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: SJackson
Syverson says he is not jockeying to be the next chairman of the Illinois Republican Party.

After his part in this fiasco, methinks it's back to envelope-stuffing for Mr. Syverson....

222 posted on 10/13/2004 7:56:17 AM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: OHelix
I don't understand what the dynamic is, but there is SOMETHING that is motivating a small LOUD group to visiously demonize Keyes

The motivation is that Republicans, quite sensibly, don't want this loon to damage the state party to the point where Illinois can be written off for the next several election cycles.

223 posted on 10/13/2004 7:59:44 AM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: OHelix
It's one think to argue he isn't the best candidate. It's another thing to absolutly trash the man and anyone who supports him when he IS in fact the nominee.

Basically, the Illinois GOP is in the same position that the Illinois Dems were in about twenty years ago, when a bunch of LaRouchies got themselves nominated by running under-the-radar primary campaigns. The Dems (correctly) decided that the only way to prevent their normal candidates from being dragged down by the outpatients was to firmly denounce the latter.

224 posted on 10/13/2004 8:04:38 AM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: glorgau
To me, it's obvious, the state Republicans _wanted_ what is happening so that they could "prove" they are right in their estimations of what will win. It's all an internal power struggle.

IMO, the Religious Right faction of the party was hoping to prove that a hard-line Religious Right candidate can do well. Once the reality (that a hard-line Religious Right candidate will crash and burn) is demonstrated, this will fuel another intraparty catfight.

225 posted on 10/13/2004 8:06:38 AM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: Tamar1973
They should have kept Jack Ryan on the ballot and defended him against the Democratic smear campaign.

If they had, the whole nonsense would have blown over by now.

226 posted on 10/13/2004 8:07:34 AM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: SJackson
Worst case, he’s pure ego, milking this opportunity for publicity for all it’s worth.

He's not just milking it for publicity. He has a history of Jesse Jackson style use of political campaigns for personal gain (e.g. using campaign funds to pay himself a salary, stay in posh hotels, etc).

227 posted on 10/13/2004 8:10:39 AM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: dwilli
Worst political move since 1789.


228 posted on 10/13/2004 8:10:56 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: SJackson

I feel sorry for Keyes - I agree with him on most issues. However, when he started talking reperations he lost me. Once a huge supporter of his, now I just hope he goes away for good.


229 posted on 10/13/2004 8:11:29 AM PDT by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: steve-b
"The motivation is that Republicans, quite sensibly, don't want this loon to damage the state party to the point where Illinois can be written off for the next several election cycles."

I can understand the concept of not wanting someone to harm the party. But it appears to me what's really going on here is that there are those who despise the religious right, and call anyone who is in that group a "loon" or worse, and, in media and elsewhere, aggressively ENCOURAGE and REINFORCE the steroetypes they CLAIM they're trying to avoid.

"Basically, the Illinois GOP is in the same position that the Illinois Dems were in about twenty years ago, when a bunch of LaRouchies got themselves nominated by running under-the-radar primary campaigns. The Dems (correctly) decided that the only way to prevent their normal candidates from being dragged down by the outpatients was to firmly denounce the latter."

I can't claim to know the history you refer to here, but it seems like you're trying to give a historical precedent to acquit yourself of maliciously sabotaging your own candidate.

I DO know a little about the history of Jesse Helms from my state... He was just as aggressively demonized with many of the same bogus arguments and circular reasoning that you and the other regular Keyes thread disrupters throw around. Like Keyes, he was an EXCELLENT orator who thought and spoke with an amazing ability to discern right from wrong, and also to effectively indict the false logic of his oposition. But most never had the oportunity to hear him speak because there was such an effort to keep him from the public's ear. VERY similar to the treatment Keyes is receiving. But because of his indifference to the slander he received in the press, and his ability to make decisions on principle, and not on political expediency, he, despite continuous attacks, maintained the vital position as the chair for the Senate's Foreign Relations Committee until he retired, successfully preventing many attempts to submit our national soveraignty to the UN.

So if you want to offer LaRouche as a historical precedent. I'll see your Larouche, and raise you a Helms.

230 posted on 10/13/2004 10:01:11 AM PDT by OHelix
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