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The Great Gun Debate
NRA Magazine-Woman's Outlook ^ | 10/04 | NRA

Posted on 10/11/2004 6:20:22 PM PDT by libertylass

Click on link for details about tomorrow's Great Gun Debate in London between Wayne LaPierre and Rebecca Peters, leader of the International Action Network on Small Arms (IANSA). It's the largest, most lavishly funded gun-ban organization on the globe and a primary force driving the U.N. gun-ban agenda.

It starts at 9:00PM Eastern Time and you have to call your cable company to sign up for it. My cable company (Time/Warner) is charging $9.99 for the showing.

Please tune it.....


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendmentrights; bang; banglist; globalism; londongundebate; nra; unguncontrol; waynelapierre; women
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1 posted on 10/11/2004 6:20:22 PM PDT by libertylass
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To: libertylass

Is there maybe a free radio feed?


2 posted on 10/11/2004 6:25:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you stand very still, they may think you're a tree.)
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To: libertylass

Have you noticed that in the United States, the gun debate is over and gun-rights advocates won?


3 posted on 10/11/2004 6:25:47 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

Not if Kerry gets in!! Go to www.nra.org and check the latest media infomercials.


4 posted on 10/11/2004 6:30:29 PM PDT by carolinaoutdoorsman
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To: Clintonfatigued

Don't be so sure. Sooner or later, there will be a definitive Sup Court case about the meaning of the Second Amendment.

If the Left/Kerry types get their way then it will be declared that it protects a collective right, and is therefore completely meaningless. With such a ruling, don't discount the ability of the Left and their allies in the Media/Hollywood/Academia to ram that message down the throats of Americans. Who knows, after several yrs people may accept the ruling as sound, despite its absurdity, then they may be willing to give up a right that the Court says they never really had anyway.

If the original intent is upheld, then it shall be said that it protects an individual right making bans like those that exist in D.C. and Chicago difficult to justify.


5 posted on 10/11/2004 6:31:30 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius
I don't see how it can be declared as a collective right; When the 2nd amendment is seen under the context of the preamble then it's meaning becomes self-evident:

Effective December 15, 1791
Articles in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

PREAMBLE
The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

6 posted on 10/11/2004 6:37:49 PM PDT by BRITinUSA
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To: Aetius

Good point. But have you noticed that John F'n Kerry has been silent on gun rights this year? Gun control hurt the Democrats in the 2000 election, and contributed to the Republican takeover in 1994. The lamestream media has pushed gun control for years, but it hasn't worked. Doesn't Kerry strike you as too risk-averse to try to push for gun control?


7 posted on 10/11/2004 6:39:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued
> Have you noticed that in the United States, the gun debate is over and gun-rights advocates won?

They haven't won -- not yet, anyway. We won't win until firearm rights are restored at a nationwide level (as per the Second Amendment) and state governments are completely removed from the equation.

How will you know we have won? When I can legally buy a firearm in New Jersey without jumping through hoops, carry it on my person legally (concealed carry), and drive across several state lines without breaking any laws. That's when.

8 posted on 10/11/2004 6:45:49 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: carolinaoutdoorsman

my fav...
"Kerry isnt a hunter, he just plays one on TV"


9 posted on 10/11/2004 6:49:37 PM PDT by melkor (God bless ยง 9 of the Texas penal code.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Kerry knows that if he makes it an issue, his candidacy is DOA because of his anti-gun voting record, an "F" grade by the NRA.

I love this ad.

10 posted on 10/11/2004 6:50:52 PM PDT by jrewingjr
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To: melkor

Powerful infomercial isnt it. Everyone ought to see it!!


11 posted on 10/11/2004 6:50:56 PM PDT by carolinaoutdoorsman
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To: jrewingjr

Excellent posting.


12 posted on 10/11/2004 6:52:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Tax-chick
Tagline: If you stand very still, they may think you're a tree.

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I had a dog (belonging to an acquaintance of mine) to think my leg was a tree one time. My sons and I was out bike riding and she was walking her dog. I stopped to talk to her and just happened to look down at the dog as he lifted his leg to let a stream go. Luckily I pulled my leg back in time before it got showered. She was thoroughly embarassed. We all got a good laugh out of it.

So I don't think we'd be standing still for any Liberals. Who knows what they've been drinking!!!
13 posted on 10/11/2004 6:53:22 PM PDT by gooleyman ((Half the Babies aborted would have grown up to be women. What about their "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"??????))
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To: jrewingjr

Ad Bump!


14 posted on 10/11/2004 6:55:03 PM PDT by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be.")
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To: jrewingjr

Ilive in a hunting community, and Ive thought about printing off a bunch of these ad,s and put them on the windows of a few of my friends stores, (hunting stores of course)! I may do it tomorrow, and by the way, that very ad was in a local newspaper last week!!!


15 posted on 10/11/2004 6:55:11 PM PDT by carolinaoutdoorsman
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To: melkor

I like the one, where the guy wearing a Primos hat says that the only thing Kerry hunts is a vote!!


16 posted on 10/11/2004 7:19:34 PM PDT by carolinaoutdoorsman
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To: Clintonfatigued

If you notice, Kerry and especially his talking heads are careful to say things like how they respect hunting and sportsmen, and would never take their guns away from them.

BUT, they almost never speak of support for the rights of Americans to own guns (especially handguns) for self defense. That strikes me as a bit telling.

I dont' hunt, and while I support to right of others to do so, I am interested in the Second Amendment for the purpose of self-defense. And handguns are the best for that.


17 posted on 10/11/2004 7:20:12 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: carolinaoutdoorsman
I did it last week; it would be GREAT if you did too. If we all put these ads out, which are DARN effective, we can wake up the uninformed hunters out there who naively think that their hunting rights and "hunting" guns are safe. NO guns are safe from the gun-grabbers like Kerry. It was the NRA vote that won my state (WV) for W last time, make no mistake, and it will again.

In games at Boston College, Kerry's Massachusetts police won't let the Mountaineer fire his muzzleloader into the air (it's real, not a prop) under threat of arrest, even though it's powder only.

18 posted on 10/11/2004 7:21:42 PM PDT by jrewingjr
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To: libertylass

I hope someone will be watching and give a live update thread.


19 posted on 10/11/2004 7:21:51 PM PDT by Kornev
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To: BRITinUSA

Well yeah, its difficult to understand how the Courts could rule it as a collective right for a clear-thinking person, but its also hard to understand how they can rule the Constitution requires abortion rights and gay marriage, but they do out of the fact that the Left sees the Judiciary as the only branch of govt through which it can impose its unpopular views.

That Americans had a right to own guns was most certainly taken for granted at the Founding. It probably didn't occur to them that it would ever be questioned. The Constitutional approval of militias was probably a much bigger deal. But in no way is the individual right to own guns dependent on service in a militia. That's crazy.

But crazy is what liberal judges do best.


20 posted on 10/11/2004 7:26:46 PM PDT by Aetius
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