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The Unofficial Pre Pre-Debate Thread

Posted on 10/13/2004 4:10:17 PM PDT by rocklobster11

Here it is. I'm watching Hardball at the moment. Nicolle Devenish is doing a good job speaking for Bush, as always


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KEYWORDS: bush; debate; kerry; thirddebate
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To: Lizarde

Rocky River?


151 posted on 10/13/2004 5:12:21 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Excellent prayer! I repeated it aloud to myself.


152 posted on 10/13/2004 5:12:38 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Kicking Ass & Taking Hyphenated Names!)
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To: rocklobster11

The President needs to say "It's not enough to say he has a plan. This is a debate. I'm telling you what I'll do, and he's not. I begin to wonder if he even knows what his plan is."


153 posted on 10/13/2004 5:12:43 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: ken5050
One for optimists, the other for negative types and worrywarts..

That plan will never work...it's a recipe for disaster.

;O)

155 posted on 10/13/2004 5:13:55 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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I'm Here.

Am I on the debate thread? or the pre debate thread? or the pre pre deabte thread?
Or the pre pre pre debate thread? L0L


156 posted on 10/13/2004 5:14:17 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions~$1.00 Todays Special: Halfbaked~50. cents)
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To: rocklobster11

May God be with our President tonight.


157 posted on 10/13/2004 5:14:23 PM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: lawgirl
i think it serves our purpose to be objective. If we tell ourselves Bush did great when he did not- such as in the first debate- then we kid ourselves into complacency.

I do agree with you, Lawgirl. Complacency is why Bush did so poorly in the first debate, I think. He just thought he had the election in the bag and didn't rest up or prepare enough. Look what that got us, lower poll numbers. Ultimately, the only one who can do well in the debate is Bush....but if he doesn't do the wonderful job that we all know he's capable of, then we have to just accept that and work a little harder.

158 posted on 10/13/2004 5:14:23 PM PDT by mtngrl@vrwc ( We cannot change the direction of the wind... but we can adjust our sails.)
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To: ken5050

There's a difference between worrying and criticizing...I want on the optimists thread:)


159 posted on 10/13/2004 5:14:28 PM PDT by Dolphy (It's not a plan, it's an echo.)
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To: cajungirl

Better make that 6, got your content vs style differential to factor in with each of the 3 options you mentioned.


160 posted on 10/13/2004 5:14:55 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: VRWCTexan

I don't think I'm watching either. I would rather read what you guys have to say. I'm also very nervous. I'm praying for our president. Let Bush keep his foot on Kerry's throat all night!


161 posted on 10/13/2004 5:15:00 PM PDT by dormee
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To: 80skid

All I need to know about this election, I learned from the incredibly close squeaker of an election in Australia (where the pro-Bush guy won in a landslide).


162 posted on 10/13/2004 5:15:05 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: lawgirl
One can be objective in the privacy of one's own home, or on the phone, or talking to friends.

On public forums, wringing hands does not contribute anything but giving ammunition to the left and the media.

People should not blurt out their first reactions just to vent. This is not helpful.

As an aside, what point is it to say he lost? You will notice that even though most of us thought Bush won the second debate, the democrats aren't being objective and honest. They are saying Kerry won. We need to do the same.

Objective and honest we can do after November 2. Right now we need to support the President.

163 posted on 10/13/2004 5:15:07 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Dolphy

I was jess tryin' fer a leetle funnin"


164 posted on 10/13/2004 5:15:25 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Severa
I can't take this stress anymore...quick, get me a marker to sniff...

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit barbituates..."

165 posted on 10/13/2004 5:15:33 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: lawgirl

Uh-huh.

Critisizing Bush the entire week HELPED Bush?

I think I'm living in a fairly realistic world and when the MSM bashes Bush, Hollywood bashes Bush, Dems bash Bush, and the world Bashes Bush-Our piling on HURTS Bush. It leaves NO voice speaking in favor of HIM.

Kerry camp claimed it a Draw Thursday night. By the next week it was the worst loss in the history of the world. Tell me conservatives didn't take an off night and help turn it into the loss of the century.

Blame Bush all you like, but conservatives deserve their share of the blame too.


166 posted on 10/13/2004 5:16:51 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Petronski

well how many times woll Kerry mention "outsourcing" tonight?

Is that a drinking word?


167 posted on 10/13/2004 5:17:33 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions~$1.00 Todays Special: Halfbaked~50. cents)
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To: lawgirl

Don't use that term with me. (I'm not going to repeat it)

There is a difference between carrying your candidate's message forward and complacency.


168 posted on 10/13/2004 5:17:40 PM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: mylife

Alas, tonight I have no beer. Woe is me.



Outsourcing seems like a classic candidate for a drinking game.


169 posted on 10/13/2004 5:19:22 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: NetSurfer
I'm still boiling mad with the MSM. I watched the VP debate and swore it was Socrates against Pee Wee Herman. If you watched only spin, you'd believe Edwards slaughtered him & Cheney lied about not meeting Edwards.

If we had a balanced honest press corps in this country, Bush would have a 30% lead.

170 posted on 10/13/2004 5:19:41 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (.)
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To: mtngrl@vrwc
Complacency is why Bush did so poorly in the first debate, I think

Complacency?? I am not so sure, how do you prepare for a debate when you opponent never sticks to one idea? Until Kerry was there on the debate floor, Bush did not know what position he would take. To me that would be impossible to prepare for. So between first debate nerves and too many positions to prepare for.....

171 posted on 10/13/2004 5:19:43 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: All
Somebody request a young W. photo?


172 posted on 10/13/2004 5:20:29 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Kicking Ass & Taking Hyphenated Names!)
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To: rocklobster11
Looks like I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

LOL ... "Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop taking amphetamines."
173 posted on 10/13/2004 5:21:01 PM PDT by mrplind (The greatest threat to the United States is not "terrorism" as we know it, it's liberalism!)
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To: albie
THE words to look for if you're watching the debate and having a shot everytime sKerry says something is "I have a plan." You'll be in the hospital by the 2nd half hour.

Add "Vietnam" to the list, "no child left behind" as well. Better call the Universuty of Pittsburgh Medical Center and get a new liver ready, I'm afraid my liver will ooze out of my belly button to look for a new home. B-)
174 posted on 10/13/2004 5:21:02 PM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: Petronski

well if the talking heads are an indication "outsourcing" will be a big word tonight.


175 posted on 10/13/2004 5:21:23 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions~$1.00 Todays Special: Halfbaked~50. cents)
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To: Severa

Wow, I knew there were people somewhere in the world who have never gotten drunk, but I've never met them. LOL


176 posted on 10/13/2004 5:21:23 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: ken5050

I'm not watching.....The press is so pro-Kerry, and I'm starting to get a very bad feeling. The polls don't seem to be going in our favor, but I'm not sure if I believe them!

Yikes!!!!!


177 posted on 10/13/2004 5:21:31 PM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: Theresawithanh
For some reason, my remote clicks off when Kerry comes on!

Mine loses the audio or jumps to another channel.
It's freaky.

179 posted on 10/13/2004 5:21:45 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Nowhere Man

Universuty = "University" Oops


180 posted on 10/13/2004 5:21:54 PM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: Miss Marple

So I have to censor my response because of what some aholes at DU might be saying? I don't think so. Somehow i doubt that anything I might say on this forum is going to give anyone anywhere ammunition.

The point to saying he lost is this (besides, gee, it's the TRUTH in the first debate): Hey everyone- get off your asses and start campaigning and praying for W. This is not going to be a walk into a second term. If you think he has it in the bag, he doesn't.

Look, I love W and anyone that knows anything on this forum can't debate that. But he lost the first debate. And if he loses tonight, I am not going to pretend he didn't.


181 posted on 10/13/2004 5:22:05 PM PDT by lawgirl ("One life can be the proof of the hope that is You..." - Russ Lee - "Live What I Believe")
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To: mylife

Where is THEE Debate live thread?


182 posted on 10/13/2004 5:22:22 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: Petronski

>>Alas, tonight I have no beer. Woe is me. <<

Can I fax you a beer my FRiend?


183 posted on 10/13/2004 5:22:25 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: VRWCTexan

Have you tried listening to the debates on the radio? I find it far more pleasant than watching it on TV.


184 posted on 10/13/2004 5:22:44 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: rocklobster11
You know it kills me when I hear the likes of McAuliffe and others say that Kerry won both debates so far and that a third win will put him over the top.

I guess they don't realize that most RELIABLE polling organizations had Bush winning the second debate and even some of them say Bush won the first one as well.

I guess Dems are related to the ostrich after all as they both like to stick their heads in the sand and pretend nothing bad will happen to them!

185 posted on 10/13/2004 5:22:51 PM PDT by pctech
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To: silent_jonny

Thanks for the pic. It's a good one.


186 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:17 PM PDT by AZamericonnie (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...)
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids

Remember, Evan Thomas of Time? magazine came out months ago and said that media bias would be worth 10-15 points - in this close of a race that's about impossible to fight. BUT fight we will cause we are not whiny dems.

Did you see where Kerry insulted the Italians again! The man does not know when to keep his mouth shut


187 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:18 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: cajungirl
we need three threads, one for the optimists, one for the worrywarts and one for the undecided!

And what about the flip floppers? Guess they'll have to be on all 3 threads!

188 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:23 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind (Poor John Kerry, he can't help it. He was born with a silver flip-flop in his mouth.)
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To: PigRigger

Sending up many prayers for our President and our country. We MUST WIN this election!


189 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:24 PM PDT by dixiechick2
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To: sissyjane

The harder the MSM pushes, the more it means that W is ahead..take everything with a grain of salt the size of the iceberg that sank the Titabic..and , dare I say it.."COURAGE"..or would you "rather " I didn't....(G)


190 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:33 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: netmilsmom
Can I fax you a beer my FRiend?

The phone lines give it a metallic aftertaste. Thanks though.

191 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:51 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Lizarde
don't forget visiting the hurricane victims the day of the debate while kerry had a manicure - this will help him in Florida no doubt about it - much better for us then the empty words of "won the debate"

Yup. FLA is very important

192 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:52 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions~$1.00 Todays Special: Halfbaked~50. cents)
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To: rocklobster11

I'm hoping Rove and company have been mum on Kerry's 30 years in the Senate because they are saving it as ammo for tonight's debate. The record of the 'most liberal senator' should be hammered in the minds of the voters.


193 posted on 10/13/2004 5:23:55 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: mylife

Kerry should be cautious ...screaming outsourcing.

He voted for it.

He wants to outsource medicine to Canada....even when some of that medicine from Cananda may not be safe.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO NATIONAL SECURITY....HE WANTS TO OUTSOURCE THAT TOO!


194 posted on 10/13/2004 5:24:18 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: ArmyBratproud

I think this is it for the moment ABP


195 posted on 10/13/2004 5:24:33 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions~$1.00 Todays Special: Halfbaked~50. cents)
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To: VRWCTexan

LOL! Funny!

You know, those were really good. They should become part of the FR lexicon. I mean it as an honor—really! :o)


196 posted on 10/13/2004 5:24:36 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: ArmyBratproud
Where is THEE Debate live thread?

I think FR won't let a live debate thread start until the debate actually starts. That's what happened Friday night.

197 posted on 10/13/2004 5:24:39 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Kicking Ass & Taking Hyphenated Names!)
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To: VRWCTexan

I have to watch the replay. I work till 7pm and I am in Arizona just about 5 miles to the east of The Gammage where the debate is being held. So that means I won't get home till probably 8-830. Glad Cspan reruns them sans the talking heads.


198 posted on 10/13/2004 5:25:10 PM PDT by Americanwolf ("Be vwey vwey quite! I am hunting DU Twolls! ---Elwer Fuwd Fwee wepubwic member and cawtoon icon)
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To: Petronski

Over Macho Grande?


199 posted on 10/13/2004 5:25:20 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: mtngrl@vrwc
I do agree with you, Lawgirl. Complacency is why Bush did so poorly in the first debate, I think. He just thought he had the election in the bag and didn't rest up or prepare enough

That's just wrong. The Bush campaign has said for months and months this race was going to be close. Complacency is the last thing I would accuse the President of.

200 posted on 10/13/2004 5:25:25 PM PDT by Dolphy (It's not a plan, it's an echo.)
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