Posted on 10/13/2004 5:24:43 PM PDT by Jacob Kell
Interior Minister Avraham Poraz issued a strongly worded statement Tuesday against incidents of Jews spitting at Christian clergy in Jerusalem, saying he was "repulsed" by the repeated attacks."
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I think neither of those involved in the incident are typical of their religions.
Sounds more like behavior one might expect from some of the Wahabbi madrassas one reads about than a Jewish yeshiva. I certainly hope this and the assassin of Prime Minister Rabin were exceptions among the rabbinical students.
That student should be immediately kicked out of his Yeshiva. If he isn't kicked out, and more incidents happen from other students, I would start wondering what they are teaching there.
I completely agree.
BTW, I notice that the Jews doing the spitting are labelled "ultra-Orthodox." That label us usually reserved for anti-Zionist Chareidim whom anti-Zionist gentiles like to parade as being on their side in the fight against Zionism. Looks like the anti-Zionist Orthodox aren't quite what the anti-Semites thought they were.
Wow, what monstrously slanderous words against these churches.
Monsttrously disgraceful, I am embarassed to have you in this forum. I guess you sympathise with the Yeshiva student who spat at the Clergy and crucifix. Disgusting.
It is true that I have little use for the ancient historical churches. I come from a Fundamentalist Protestant background myself and understand that you liturgicals hate us with a passion. I have witnessed the scorn of Catholics and Orthodox firsthand (having been Catholic for six years and then investigating Eastern and Armenian Orthodoxy), so it's not as if I'm a total ignoramus on the subject.
First you spew forth slanderous hatred against several Christian churches.
Then you say all those Christian churches hate you and fundamentalists in general. When someone objects to the hateful words, you say they hate you, too.
It seems all you've learned from your exploring and studies is hate. You pour it forth with little prompting, and falsely project it on others. Please take a long look in the mirror, and avoid poisoning future discussions with this ugliness.
BTW, you may be happy to learn that what finally made me a Noachide was an Eastern Orthodox booklet that attacked the Catholic doctrine of "original sin." It said that the true doctrine of human nature was to be found in the Talmud, to which my reaction was, "if it wasn't broken, it didn't need fixing."
So since the Jews had it right, just why did we need a new religion a thousand years later???
If he is not expelled, then there is no difference between that Yeshiva and a Wahabi madrassa.
I don't know what you are ranting about, probably yet more insults for Christians.
Good luck.
Actually my experience is that Catholics, etc. basically ignore Protestantism.
Literally not a single mention of the subject in a single liturgy, Sunday School session, Catholic School religion class, etc.
On the other hand, I had Baptist friends routinely tell me of all sorts of nutty invective by their preachers against Catholics on a regular basis.
I come from a Fundamentalist Protestant background myself and understand that you liturgicals hate us with a passion.
Actually my experience is that Catholics, etc. basically ignore Protestantism.
Literally not a single mention of the subject in a single liturgy, Sunday School session, Catholic School religion class, etc.
On the other hand, I had Baptist friends routinely tell me of all sorts of nutty invective by their preachers against Catholics on a regular basis.
You probably won't believe me, but my experience is the exact opposite. Down here in the Bible Belt Fundamentalist Protestants have gotten to the point of ignoring Catholicism (since it's supposedly a political ally) while whole organizations and publications exist in the Catholic world to demonize Fundamentalists and attack them for believing in Adam and Eve (as if that were some bizarro sectarian belief).
When I joined the Church I was completely unprepared for the hostility in all the tracts and publications, all of which acted as if Fundamentalist Protestantism were the worst thing to happen in all of human history. No, there wasn't much condemnation from the lectern, but the magazines, books, and tracts (as well as anti-Fundamentalist diatribes by the Bishops) more than made up for it. Bishops are the successors of the apostles, are they not?
BTW, the next time someone mentions Jewish prejudice against chr*stianity, perhaps I should mention Catholicism's hostility to the American Heartland?
The love affair with Israel and Judaism by fundivangelist types is VERY recent (most of it post 9/11.)
If you look at American history most of the antisemitism has come from the Protestant side.
Remember the Klan for most of its history was equally focused on hatred of Catholics, Jews, AND blacks.
That is the most idiotic thing I've read here on FR in a long time. Are you really that ignorant? Did you not know that Increase Mather was a chr*stian Zionist (as was Cotton till he changed his mind)? Have you never heard of John Nelson Darby or William Blackstone or C. I. Scofield? No, I suppose not.
If you look at American history most of the antisemitism has come from the Protestant side.
And if you look at chr*stian history most of it has come from the liturgical churches, but the answer to that is "we've been around longer." Don't you suppose the fact that there have always been more Protestants than Catholics in America might have something to do with most anti-Semites, murderers, thieves, and every thing else being Protestant rather than Catholic?
Remember the Klan for most of its history was equally focused on hatred of Catholics, Jews, AND blacks.
See, this is the kind of regurgitation of liberal libels against the rural American Heartland that the American Catholic leadership specializes in. And you are our "allies?" Give me "ultra-Orthodox" Jews who believe the Torah was dictated to Mosheh letter-for-letter any day over the alleged Church of Western Civilization calling for the teaching of the documentary hypothesis in public schools.
You may have read some Catholic apologetics. Occasionally apologists will deal with an accusation lodged at the Church by nonCatholics and defend the Catholic position. On other occasions some publications run a question/answer column and the answers will point out the Catholic position which most often would naturally include the mistake or lack of understanding or unusual interpretation of scripture or the patristic fathers. You of course,should be able to understand that they just can't roll over and play dead,or do you think they should?
I am pro-Israel Catholic and I don't think ANYONE should be spit on....it's disgusting and degrading for the spittee AND the spitter.
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