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Congress Considering National ID Card
The American Conservative Union ^ | October 18, 2004 | aculistmanager@laptoplobbyist.com

Posted on 10/18/2004 11:02:36 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

 

 

Dear Friend of the ACU:

Kiss your civil liberties and right to privacy goodbye!

Do you believe that you should be compelled to carry a National ID Card that is imprinted with your fingerprint or your DNA imprint or other highly personal and private information?

Do you believe that you should be required to produce this ID card on demand -- when you go to the grocery store or cross state lines or pay your taxes or at the whim of some petty government bureaucrat?

This is not science fiction folks -- nor is it a scene out of a futuristic "B-movie" -- the technology exists and if Congress gets its way -- it's going to be a reality.

Unless -- of course -- you join with me to take a stand today and urge the Senate and House Conference Committee to kill the National ID Card provisions from S.2845 and H.R. 10.

 

Use the hyperlink below and join with me in sending a personalized Blast Fax message to the thirteen key Senators and the nine key House Members who will be considering this legislation.  Tell them that any National ID Card provisions must be stripped from H.R. 10 and S.2845. Tell them that no amount of security is worth turning the United States into a Police State.

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Show Me Your Papers Please

"We beat the Germans in World War II. We don't want to be a show-us-your-papers kind of country."  Those are the words of author David Kopel.

But perhaps Congressman Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) said it best.

"The much-hailed 9/11 Commission report released in July recommends a federal identification card and, worse, a 'larger network of screening points' inside the United States. Does this mean we are to have 'screening points' inside our country where American citizens will be required to 'show their papers' to government officials? It certainly sounds that way!"

Paul goes on to say, "A national identification card, in whatever form it may take, will allow the federal government to inappropriately monitor the movements and transactions of every American. History shows that governments inevitably use the power to monitor the actions of people in harmful ways. Claims that the government will protect the privacy of Americans when implementing a national identification card ring hollow."

I don't know about you -- but the prospect of being told to produce my papers evokes visions of living in the former Soviet Union and -- even now -- I have a hard time believing our Congress is seriously considering it.

 

Use the hyperlink below and join with me in sending a personalized Blast Fax message to the thirteen key Senators and the nine key House Members who will be considering this legislation.  Tell them that any National ID Card provisions must be stripped from H.R. 10 and S.2845. Tell them that no amount of security is worth turning the United States into a Police State.

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What Is Congress Saying?

In case you still don't think National ID Cards are a reality -- Here's what some Members of Congress are saying ...

 

Rep. Mary Bono (R-CA) said, "I think people are going to have to recognize that some of their conveniences are going to be gone...  I'm glad to show my identification where I need to go."
 

Rep. George Gekas (R-Pa.), chairman of the House Immigration Subcommittee, has told the press that "proposals to mandate national ID cards should not be dismissed out of hand."

 

These are REPUBLICANS  -- the folks who are suppose to take our civil liberties seriously!

 

Ron Paul in criticizing the measure said, "Congress has embraced the 9/11 Commission report uncritically since its release in July. Now Congress is rushing to write each 9/11 Commission recommendation into law before the November election."

 

Use the hyperlink below and join with me in sending a personalized Blast Fax message to the thirteen key Senators and the nine key House Members who will be considering this legislation.  Tell them that any National ID Card provisions must be stripped from H.R. 10 and S.2845. Tell them that no amount of security is worth turning the United States into a Police State.

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National ID Cards Have Several Disadvantages

Proponents of the measure say that a National ID Card is essential in the wake of 9-11 and an increased terrorist threat. But that argument is simply a red-herring.

Of the 25 nations that have been the most frequent targets of terrorists attacks, 80 percent of them have a national identification card.

Furthermore, a National ID Card tells law enforcement nothing about a person's intent.  Timothy McVeigh, the D.C. Beltway sniper and a host of other criminals and terrorists would have no problem obtaining a National ID Card.

The program will cost billions of dollars; money that could be spent on tightening border security or beefing up law enforcement.

Identity theft will literally go through the roof.  Many of us have experienced the unfortunate situation of having a credit card or a Social Security number stolen.  Imagine what would happen if someone stole your entire identity.

Is a false panacea worth giving up your civil liberties? 

 

Use the hyperlink below and join with me in sending a personalized Blast Fax message to the thirteen key Senators and the nine key House Members who will be considering this legislation.  Tell them that any National ID Card provisions must be stripped from H.R. 10 and S.2845. Tell them that no amount of security is worth turning the United States into a Police State.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 4a; 4thamendment; 666; constitution; fourthamendment; government; intrusion; markofthebeast; nationalid; policestate; privacy; search; searchandseizure; seizure; surveillance
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There is not one single instance that I know of where scanning national ID cards helped catch terrorists. Meanwhile, the government could eventually require you to produce your national ID card (a driver's license with federal standards) at checkpoints, places of commerce, and other places. Meanwhile, the real terrorists may just go completely underground, with ID-carrying sympathizers doing business for them until the time comes to attack. Do we really want an intrusive measure of dubious value in catching the real bad guys? How about simply beefing up border security and beefing up the FBI and CIA (if we even need to do that) to engage in actual detective work to intercept these bastards?
1 posted on 10/18/2004 11:02:37 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There is no way to devise an ID card that cant be forged and duplicated. Much less to rely on the TSA dunderheads who are hired to check them... Its a lousy idea for sure!!!!


2 posted on 10/18/2004 11:05:46 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

HMMMM - and Kerry is complaining that the Prez is not fully enacting the Commission recommendations, while the Prz's people say that some of the recommendations are troubling or have other problems. I can see a most effective ad here...


3 posted on 10/18/2004 11:06:39 AM PDT by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
There is not one single instance that I know of where scanning national ID cards helped catch terrorists.

Considering that we don't have one, your statement really doesn't have any meaning.

4 posted on 10/18/2004 11:06:41 AM PDT by dirtboy (Kerry could have left 'Nam within a week if Purple Hearts were awarded for shots to the foot.)
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To: abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; AnnaSASsyFR; Angelwood; aristeides; Askel5; basil; bayliving; ..
Police State BUMP!

As long as our government agencies are able to share criminal and intelligence information, there shouldn't be a need for this intrusive measure.

5 posted on 10/18/2004 11:07:31 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: dirtboy

I'm talking about other countries, not this one.


6 posted on 10/18/2004 11:08:50 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Image courtesy the agitator.
7 posted on 10/18/2004 11:10:46 AM PDT by Fixit (comedian.blogspot.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We already have one. It's called a driver's license. From what I am reading, the bill requires a standardization of driver's license formats.

Got mixed feelings on this - in an age where terrorists are getting closer to having nuclear weapons, we may not have a choice.

Where is the proof that we will be required to show ID at grocery stores or crossing state lines? Note that we already have to show ID to board an airplane. Not saying that ACU is wrong, but I would like to see some documentation.


8 posted on 10/18/2004 11:11:19 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: Fixit
I think it's a great Idea. You should have to produce it to register to vote and to receive a ballot.
9 posted on 10/18/2004 11:14:32 AM PDT by TBBT
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To: stinkerpot65

Well said.


10 posted on 10/18/2004 11:14:39 AM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Given the fact that airport screeners still apparently can't detect things they're supposed to detect reliably, and that there are many, many stories of wanted individuals slipping through the holes in law enforcement, it would seem that this would have the most significant effect on people who are not terrorists of criminals but still have to submit to obtaining the card and carrying it at all times for 'identification.'
11 posted on 10/18/2004 11:14:44 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: stinkerpot65

Agreed. Between Illegal Aliens and Terrorists, we may have to knuckle down to persevere.


12 posted on 10/18/2004 11:15:14 AM PDT by gunnygail (Founding member of the VRWC. --Black Helo crewman. (I operate the Liberal tinfoil hat scanner.)
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To: dirtboy
There is not one single instance that I know of where scanning national ID cards helped catch terrorists.

Considering that we don't have one, your statement really doesn't have any meaning.

Well, how WOULD it? Citizens can be terrorists too. I think the burden of proof is on those wishing to institute a whole new program on to society.

13 posted on 10/18/2004 11:18:28 AM PDT by technochick99 (Sanctimonious prig..., (straight) selfish hedonist)
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To: stinkerpot65
Where is the proof that we will be required to show ID at grocery stores or crossing state lines?

I'm not sure that's going to happen, either...for now. But do you really want to risk the creation of a surveillance state with these things?

14 posted on 10/18/2004 11:21:37 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Meanwhile, the government could eventually require you to produce your national ID card (a driver's license with federal standards) at checkpoints, places of commerce, and other places.

I already have one. It's called my passport.

If we issue passports to every US citizen, and require foreigners who are here legally to produce theirs (which they must have had to get in, right?), then the problem is solved, right?

We already have a national bureaucracy in place to manage this. It's the Department of Immigration and the passport offices. We can't tamper with our passports for domestic political purposes or the rest of world will reject our passports as valid entry documents.

-PJ

15 posted on 10/18/2004 11:22:17 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: TBBT
President Reagan thought otherwise. He likened a national ID system to the mark of the beast, and I agree with him.
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead [or in his wallet] so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
                                      Rev. 13:16
http://www.computerbytesman.com/biometrics/verichip.htm
The National ID Card: It's Baaack!

Then-Attorney General William French Smith argued that a perfectly harmless ID card system would be necessary to reduce illegal immigration. A second cabinet member asked: why not tattoo a number on each American's forearm? According to Martin Anderson, the White House domestic policy adviser at the time, Reagan blurted out "My god, that's the mark of the beast." As Anderson wrote, "that was the end of the national identification card" during the Reagan years.


16 posted on 10/18/2004 11:23:40 AM PDT by Fixit (comedian.blogspot.com)
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To: gunnygail
Agreed. Between Illegal Aliens and Terrorists, we may have to knuckle down to persevere.

And when the threats of terrorism and illegal invation recede? Will they actually discard the national ID then, or will they simply think of another reason to keep the program implemented?

17 posted on 10/18/2004 11:23:59 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

THAT is the problem. Terrorism and Illegals are a LONG-Term problem. The Roman Empire, for example, faced BOTH.


18 posted on 10/18/2004 11:24:59 AM PDT by gunnygail (Founding member of the VRWC. --Black Helo crewman. (I operate the Liberal tinfoil hat scanner.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Of course, the information on the cards will be available to just everyone. Private investigators, divorce lawyers, political opponents, ID thieves, nosy reporters, curious hackers, disgruntled ex-employees, etc.

Abuse occurse not because it's useful, but because it's easy.


19 posted on 10/18/2004 11:27:14 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Political Junkie Too
If we issue passports to every US citizen, and require foreigners who are here legally to produce theirs (which they must have had to get in, right?), then the problem is solved, right?

Then the surveillance state will merely require us to show our passports hither and yon (an internal passport system). Who says those cannot be faked by crooks?

20 posted on 10/18/2004 11:27:19 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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