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Radical Cleric in Britain Charged (Tuesday, 19 October, 2004)
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Posted on 10/19/2004 4:16:19 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

LONDON Oct. 19, 2004 — Radical Islamic cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri appeared in court Tuesday and was charged with urging followers to kill non-Muslims.

British prosecutors read out a 16-count indictment that includes 10 charges of soliciting or encouraging persons to murder someone who did not believe in the Islamic faith.

The British charges pre-empt a U.S. extradition bid. He faces 11 terrorist charges in the United States.

Only one of the 16 charges read out in Belmarsh Magistrates Court on Tuesday falls under anti-terror legislation. That indictment, under Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000, accuses al-Masri of possessing a book called the Encyclopedia of the Afghani Jihad.

Prosecutors said the incitement to murder was contained in speeches recorded on tape to be used as evidence.

Four of the 10 charges specify that al-Masri urged the killing of Jews.

Hamza also faces four charges of using "threatening, abusive or insulting behavior" to stir up racial hatred and one count of possessing threatening, abusive or insulting recordings.

Al-Masri nodded when asked if he understood the charges against him.


TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: britian; islam; rop
Surely this is an isolated incident attempting to mar the image of the 'Religion of Peace.'
1 posted on 10/19/2004 4:16:19 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe

The Brits are worried that if we get him, he's gonna get the death penalty.


2 posted on 10/19/2004 4:26:16 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: Happy2BMe

Is this the guy with the pirate hook?


3 posted on 10/19/2004 4:27:06 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: sirchtruth
Patterns of Global Terrorism - 2000 Released by the Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism

"FANATIC SHEIKH'S VIDEOS OF TERROR "A Nice, Clean War""

By Gary Jones, Chief Reporter Kanchan Dutt And Don Mackay

MUSLIM leader Sheikh Abu Hamza has told young British Supporters that murder, bank robbery and looting are legitimate weapons against the enemies of Islam.

BATTLE CRY: Sheikh Hamza speaking at a Trafalgar Square rally

Secret tapes obtained by the Daily Mirror show how the one-eyed cleric has urged violence at recruitment meetings across Britain - and warned that the infidel should be kept on the run.

Hamza, 44, appearing at an Islamic rally in London yesterday, denied telling followers that it was all right to kill w esterners living and working in foreign lands.

But on one of the six video tapes made at private meetings around the country the fanatic tells impressionable young supporters: "What are they doing there anyway? Most of them are spies.

"Even if they don't do anything - if Muslims cannot take them and sell them in the market - kill them, it's OK."

DANGEROUS TALK: Hamza in a clip from the secret videos obtained by The Mirror

Egyptian-born Hamza, who lost an eye and had both arms blown off by a landmine during the Afghan war against the Russians, is leader of the Supporters of Shariah movement based at the mosque in Finsbury Park, North London.

He has denied recruiting British Muslims into the al-Qaeda terrorist network and claims inflammatory statements attributed to him are fabricated.

But at meetings behind closed doors, he urges followers to take up arms against the infidel.

"We have to push our children to the front line," he said. "Everybody wants his son to be killed like a lion."

Hamza said anyone standing in the way of his Islam would spend their life in fear.

HE warned: "They should always be worried. They should always be on the run. They should always feel insecure."

At a mosque in Birmingham, the sheikh issued another call to arms.

He said: "Why should there be a battle? Why should there be an argument?

"But a struggle means sometimes arguing to convey the message. Even if it means you convey the message by carrying a sword.

"Allah wants to know who will sacrifice for him."

During a question and answer session, Hamza said banks were a Jewish establishment, the work of Satan.

Robbing them and kafirs, or unbelievers, could be acceptable because they were not protected by Allah. He said: "I say go and do it (steal), take shoot and loot.

"Every battle has its purpose. Ours is to put the authority of Allah and humiliate kafir who are challenging the authority of Allah and Muslims.

"Sometimes you will feel too weak to go on, but you say 'I still have some strength to humiliate and kill and remove some of the germs who are making me weak so that people who come after me can carry on with weaker enemies'."

Hamza also backed burglary and theft from non-believers. He said: "I can't see any problem giving yourself a free hand - getting yourself a new car.

"Go for their houses where you can loot and come back. It is like going to the forest and picking up wood from no man's land."

On one video Hamza says it is legitimate to wage war against targets such as the American embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi which were attacked by al-Qaeda in 1998.

The sheikh is also heard giving advice to those joining a jihad, or holy war. He said: "Allah made the contract that a certain kind of believer will fight in the cause of Allah ... they will kill in the cause of Allah.

"Jihad is their fight and it is also an obligation. But some people call this terrorism."

"Jihad is the only way to protect believers. Jihad comes first.

"I do not want you to say 'I believe in one God'. No, no. I want you to make trouble for kafirs.

"Before you can say I believe in you God I want you to put everybody's god in the dustbin.

"And so you insult kafir...you say there is no god except the creator Allah. You start the trouble.

"Allah will never ever allow the kafir to be pleased with you. He created them and he moulded them to be your enemy.

"Jihad is moving up and proving yourself. It is something for you to look for. Go and look for it." The sheikh has been linked to alleged shoe bomber Richard Reid - awaiting trial in America - Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker on September 11 who is on remand in the US, and Feroz Abbasi, from Croydon, South London, who is among the prisoners at Camp X-Ray in Cuba.

Hamza is wanted by America and the Yemen.

Questions are now being asked over why he has not been dealt with under the Terrorism Act 2000 outlawing support for radical Islamic groups and making it a criminal offence to raise funds.

The only time Hamza has been detained was in 1999 when he was questioned by Scotland Yard detectives on suspicion of terrorism offences. He was held for several days and released without charge.

Andrew Dismore, Labour MP for Hendon, North London, has spoken out since September 11 on Hamza's suspected links with terrorists and alleged anti-American comments. He said the videos were "one more argument that it is about time action was taken against Hamza".

The MP added: "I believe he has committed incitement to violence and I find it very difficult to understand why he has not been subject to prosecution.""

A SPOKESWOMAN for the Home Office said she could not comment on the Hamza case, but added: "We are monitoring a number of individuals and organisations.

"The Home Secretary has powers to deport someone who represents a danger to the public good.""

The spokeswoman said someone seen to be inciting the public could warrant a Government investigation.

She added: "If it was seen as a threat, for example, to national security that could be a reason to deport somebody." Scotland Yard said it would be keen to study the tapes to see whether the cleric had broken the law.

At yesterday's rally in Trafalgar Square, Hamza refused to condemn terrorist atrocities against the West and said he backed a jihad: "We support a nice clean war.

"We don't know any war other than a holy war. We are not going to spill blood unnecessarily."

Hamza even claimed New York's Twin Towers collapsed from inside because of "an America-Zionist plot to blame the Muslim world".

He said: "There is no way these buildings could collapse in that manner after three hours.

"Al-Qaeda may have ambitions to do that, but I don't believe they did.

"I'm a trained civil engineer and I know from what I have seen those buildings collapsed from the inside."

The sheikh denied ever urging young Muslims to kill westerners. "I haven't said that," he said. "It is a crude statement. If you leave us alone, we will leave you alone."

Four people were arrested during clashes between rally supporters and far-right demonstrators. Two speakers were also arrested.

Two British National Party supporters were bundled to the ground by police and handcuffed before being led off for public order and breach of the peace offences as a banner proclaiming "Bin Laden is a murderer" was unfurled.

Police, fearing more violence, ordered the rally's blaring speakers turned off.

Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, who has called on Muslims to fight the "evil forces" behind attacks on Osama bin Laden, said: "We are moving towards dangerous times. We can only expect worse."

He denied inciting racial hatred but said any attacks against Iraq would bring retaliation.

4 posted on 10/19/2004 4:29:21 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 14 Days Until November 2nd, 2004)
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To: tiamat; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; TrueBeliever9; Geist Krieger; JohnHuang2; Salem; Sanch; ...

Onward Muslime Soldiers - ping.


5 posted on 10/19/2004 4:30:33 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 14 Days Until November 2nd, 2004)
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To: Happy2BMe

6 posted on 10/19/2004 4:33:02 AM PDT by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw

How the Brits let him walk free this long is beyond me.


7 posted on 10/19/2004 4:43:37 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 14 Days Until November 2nd, 2004)
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To: tiamat
The Brits are worried that if we get him, he's gonna get the death penalty.

This Brit is more worried that now he will not get the death penalty.

I would it's more that they were concerned that the threat of the death penalty would upset extradition proceedings. We're not allowed to extradite to face capital punishment. My solution was for the U.S. to wave the death penalty before extradition, then for the court to find him not-guilty, whereupon Yemen (who want him also) would extradite from the U.S. At all stages the letter of the law is observed, but in the final case, he is executed.
8 posted on 10/19/2004 4:44:54 AM PDT by tjwmason (Coerced and bribed window-dressing.)
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To: tjwmason

I like your way of handling it.

Sadly, this entails the players doing the hand-offs to have half a brain and the ability to stick with a plan.

BTW: I meant nothing bad by the "Brit" comment....I know a lot of you good folks would just as soon hang him.

I'm a Yank. We like hangings.

:-)


9 posted on 10/19/2004 4:53:01 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: tiamat

"The Brits are worried that if we get him, he's gonna get the death penalty."

It's shameful to my mind that it took an extradition request from the US for our authorities to do anything about this bastard.

He's been at it for years and our useless government has seemingly ignored him (probably for fear of racism accusations). But once you Yanks want to whack the bugger out lot decide to arrest and charge, (in my opinion to save his life)

Still, at least he's behind bars (or)now (at taxpayers expense natch')

(excuse the colourful language, this really bugs me)


10 posted on 10/19/2004 5:02:28 AM PDT by BritishBulldog (New Labour - Putting the "National" back into "Socialist")
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To: tiamat
BTW: I meant nothing bad by the "Brit" comment....I know a lot of you good folks would just as soon hang him.

I didn't think you did. It is most unfortunate that this is one of the strongest holds of P.C. in the British political establishment. The clear majority of the population favours capital punishment (at least in some cases), yet since the 1960s it has been (de facto) outlawed, even through 18 years of Tory government including majorities of over 100 in the Commons. Now it would actually be illegal for Britain to execute somebody (Human Rights Act).
11 posted on 10/19/2004 5:04:22 AM PDT by tjwmason (Coerced and bribed window-dressing.)
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To: tiamat
The Brits are worried that if we get him, he's gonna get the death penalty.

These, mind you, are our best and most reliable allies!

12 posted on 10/19/2004 5:11:27 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: tjwmason
then for the court to find him not-guilty, whereupon Yemen (who want him also) would extradite from the U.S. At all stages the letter of the law is observed, but in the final case, he is executed.

I would be careful for what you wish for.
Sandmaggots cannot be relied on or trusted. Dozens of terrorists have been known to have escaped Yemeni jails; Kuwait, which exists as an independent country only as a result of American wealth and blood, once again has restrictions in place as to what Americans can "do" from their territory, and are as oppresive and hateful as ever to Christians or any other religion, for that matter. Let's not even talk about Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia, or Syria.

Hit squads similar to the Israeli ones are the only effective answer.

13 posted on 10/19/2004 5:19:01 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: Calpernia; Alabama MOM; Velveeta

Ping


14 posted on 10/19/2004 7:12:36 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Once upon a time, Anglo-Saxon kings threw murderers to the wolves.

A resurrection of this ancient tradition would be welcome.


16 posted on 10/19/2004 8:50:46 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

*If* the Muslims are successful in something along the lines of another 9/11 or another Beslan here in the US, you can bet the farm you will get your wish.


17 posted on 10/19/2004 9:12:28 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Just 14 Days Until November 2nd, 2004)
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To: Happy2BMe

Kill the subhuman and his murderous followers.


18 posted on 10/19/2004 9:33:07 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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