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Confederate Flag still an issue?
eastcarolinian ^ | October 14, 2004 | Peter Kalajian

Posted on 10/19/2004 5:14:54 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

As I drove down 5th street yesterday, I spied a bumper sticker that addresses an issue I have been waiting for an excuse to write about. It was in the back window of a pickup truck, whose ability to operate I found simply amazing, strategically situated between an empty gun rack and another sticker depicting Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes fame) urinating on "Osama" with a devilish grin on his face.

I will leave the "Osama" reference and defamation of an innocent newspaper comic strip character alone for the purposes of this article, and will concentrate on the content of the other bumper sticker. It was a simple, Confederate flag, next to which was written the words, "Heritage not Hate". Now, if I have ever read something more deserving of one of my diatribes, I cannot recall.

This statement, which for the record I believe to be sheer nonsense, speaks of an issue with which I had very limited experience before relocating to North Carolina, but an issue of importance nonetheless.

All my life, the Confederate flag was something of a joke to me. M history classes in high school and earlier had taught me that the Confederate defeat during the Civil War was a good thing, that the moral argument against slavery (espoused by the Lincoln government in Washington) was a black and white issue, about right and wrong, and that the Union triumph is 1865 was righteous.

Granted, the history I was taught spoke from a biased perspective, from the moral high ground of the abolitionists and northern intellectuals, and never really addressed the true, underlying reasons for the Civil War, which I would come to learn much later. After considering all the information I have been able to locate on the subject, after long hours of trying to understand just where the Confederacy was coming from and why they wanted to defend their way of life, I have come to a few conclusions.

Naturally, these conclusions reflect my upbringing and Northern perspective, and I am more than confident than my loyal readers will have more than a few comments of their own to contribute.

First of all, "Heritage not Hate", is an extreme cop out. Sure, the Confederate flag, displayed in the year 2004, some 140 years after the actual conflict ended, may stand for some long forgotten Southern pride issue. It may stand for the struggles that people in the Southeastern region of the United States suffered through and the wars that they fought.

It may stand for some perceived difference between the North and South, which apparently has persisted to this day, and may fondly recall the era of Southern dominance of the United States.

Woops, little mistake there. The South has never "dominated" anything. It is another region within the greater whole, just as it was then and remains so today. As for the "Not Hate" part of the bumper sticker, a more laughable statement I cannot recall. There are far too many damning coincidences that will forever relegate the Stars and Bars to the level of racist propaganda.

Why is it that hate groups all over the country, to this day, fly the Confederate flag as a symbol of their ideology. White Supremacist organizations,

, the sad, pitiful remnants of the Klu Klux Klan, along with many other neo-Nazi and racially motivated groups all include the Confederate flag amongst their symbols of worship.

Is this coincidence? Are people who fly the Confederate flag, be it in bumper sticker form or on the end of a flagpole, trying to align themselves with such openly evil and backward-thinking organizations? I don't think so. I think that people fly the flag to recall the once glorious Confederated states of America and celebrate their history, while at the same time somehow overlooking the racial implications inherent in the very symbol they hold so high.

Make no mistake. Whether you choose to recognize it or not, the fact remains the same: The Confederate flag is a racist symbol. It was during the Civil War, it remains so today. I challenge anyone to show me an African-American person with a Confederate Flag bumper sticker or "The South will rise again" written in their computers screensaver.

Is this a coincidence? You would sooner find a swastika flying outside the Israel embassy as you would a Confederate flag flying at an N.A.A.C.P rally. To me, the symbols have long been morally relative to each other. Both stand for hate, oppression, and the wanton murder and destruction of a group of people because of some perceived inferiorities. Plantation owners in the South, before and during the Civil War, treated slaves the same way they treated horses and sheep.

They were not human beings, quite the contrary. They could be bought and sold like farm equipment and with as much compassion. So to during the Nazi era in Germany; Jews were not considered people in the same way that German citizens were, therefore their wholesale murder could be justified. Anyone who cannot see the glaring similarities between the Confederate flag and the Swastika needs to pick up a history book and do some research.

If you care to display a symbol that represents the brutality and viciousness and lack of humanity that was involved in something like the slave trade, as the Confederate flag clearly does, you are entitled. The first Amendment to the Constitution allows you the freedom to display just about whatever you care to, but consider this. If you are going to fly the Stars and Bars, don't sugar coat it. Don't downplay the racial aspects and idealize the cultural aspects. They are one in the same.

Be up front and honest about your feelings. Confederacy= Hate I think would be a far more realistic bumper sticker, and as we speak I am in negotiations to have a number of said bumper stickers produced. Let us just call a spade a spade and forget about the "Heritage not Hate" nonsense. It is hateful, you know it is, and beating around the bush about it only takes away from the power of the argument. Let the responsive mud slinging commence!


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KEYWORDS: american; confederate; confederateflag; dixie; dixietrash; flag; hate; heritage; hicks; history; honor; kkk; neoconfederate; rebels; redneckhumor; rednecks; south
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The author, Peter Kalajian

1 posted on 10/19/2004 5:14:55 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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Good response here (outside link)
2 posted on 10/19/2004 5:16:11 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (For Liberty!)
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To: nolu chan; sionnsar; Free Trapper; dcwusmc; Wampus SC; Fiddlstix; Southron Patriot; ...

d-i-x-i-e ping


3 posted on 10/19/2004 5:17:34 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (For Liberty!)
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To: stainlessbanner

Dear Mr. Kalajian: Interstate 95 runs both ways, north as well as south. Take advantage of it if you don't like North Carolina. Please. Perhaps a tolerant, non-racist, inclusive city like Boston or Philadelphia would be more to your liking.

}:-)4


4 posted on 10/19/2004 5:18:30 PM PDT by Moose4 ("That was beautiful. Now never, ever, do it again.")
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I challenge anyone to show me an African-American person with a Confederate Flag bumper sticker or "The South will rise again"


5 posted on 10/19/2004 5:22:06 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (For Liberty!)
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Way to go HK!

6 posted on 10/19/2004 5:23:09 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (For Liberty!)
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To: stainlessbanner
Perhaps you have noticed that no one cares what you think.

I suspect this is a reality which permeates your entire life.

7 posted on 10/19/2004 5:23:23 PM PDT by Do Be (The heart is smarter than the head.)
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To: stainlessbanner
I love the Stars and Bars , always have always will.....
Many many good men and proud Americans died under that flag .
It deserves our remembrance and respect as much as the Stars and Stripes.
8 posted on 10/19/2004 5:23:32 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: stainlessbanner

Puh-leeze! If this twerd asked his Armenian parents how they felt about Greeks and Turks, he'd get an earful of absolutely justifiable HATE, and he wouldn't have to ask how people could look back on their history and wish it had turned out differently.


9 posted on 10/19/2004 5:25:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (A python asleep on the windowsill and a nasty smell were the first signs that all was not well ...)
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To: stainlessbanner
There are paintings of rainbows on the walls of Sunday school class rooms all across the country. They are there because they are part of God's creation, and they remind us of His promise that he will never destroy the earth again by flood.

There are rainbows on the bumpers of cars all across the country, and they represent a perversion of God's creation of human sexuality.

See the analogy?

10 posted on 10/19/2004 5:25:59 PM PDT by Clump
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To: stainlessbanner
Author needs to study a little more history. Russia was the only country ever to enact a law making antisemitism a felony with a penalty of hanging. Who were the preponderance of lawmakers that passed such a law????

Author seems oblivious to the fact that that our constitution was given us mostly by southerners, some were slave holders. Who brought the slaves here and sold them in the south???

11 posted on 10/19/2004 5:26:39 PM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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If you are going to fly the Stars and Bars

That would be this one - most folks wouldn't recognize it:

12 posted on 10/19/2004 5:26:51 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (For Liberty!)
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To: stainlessbanner
It appears that the author should go back and look at his heritage. His name appears to be Iranian or from some other local that is quite close. With the hate that goes on between the Sunis and the Shiites, he probably would do very well to examine those first.

Secondly, to ban the Stars and Bars is to forget history, however bad it is perceived. We as a culture learn from history and to bury it or sweep it under the carpet amounts to the same as the Germans outlawing the Swastika, which they did. The Swastika is becoming more and more visible with each passing day. Look at what is happening to the cemeteries in France.
13 posted on 10/19/2004 5:27:58 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: stainlessbanner

I'm not weighing in on all of your talking points, but I've seen KKK, Neo Nazi's etc. on T.V. Oftern they are parading with both confederate and U.S. Flags, often just the U.S. Flag, does that mean the U.S. Flag "stands for hate".

Bottom line, War's over, get a life and when you get it do us a favor and take it to the blissful utopia of N.Y.


14 posted on 10/19/2004 5:30:59 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedeict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: stainlessbanner

There's one flying in my subdivision. I don't think most people get it!


15 posted on 10/19/2004 5:31:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick (A python asleep on the windowsill and a nasty smell were the first signs that all was not well ...)
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To: stainlessbanner
Note to Peter;

It was busy bodies like yourself that started the civil war.
If the Confederate flag is a symbol of anything it is a symbol of the hatred Southerners have for anything and anyone who doesn't mind their own business.


Well I heard Ol Pete sing about her, I heard Ol Pete put her down. Well I hope Ol Pete will remember, a Southern man don't need him round, anyhow.
16 posted on 10/19/2004 5:31:55 PM PDT by Tweaker
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To: stainlessbanner
I go for the Bonnie Blue Flag myself. Almost no one recognizes it. I have it on my front automobile license plate. More than once I've been asked if I am a general.
17 posted on 10/19/2004 5:32:24 PM PDT by Martin Tell (I will not be terrified or Kerrified.)
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To: Martin Tell; wardaddy

Join the club. Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue!


18 posted on 10/19/2004 5:35:11 PM PDT by stainlessbanner (For Liberty!)
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To: NY Attitude
His name appears to be Iranian

Armenian, although some settled in Iran after over 1,000,000 were massacred by the Turks in 1917-18. He ought to understand "heritage" perfectly!

19 posted on 10/19/2004 5:36:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick (A python asleep on the windowsill and a nasty smell were the first signs that all was not well ...)
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To: stainlessbanner
The confederate flag represent a country the correctly withdrew from the Union and that was attacked and forcefully brought back into the Union. Hundreds of thousand of soldiers died for freedom from northern dominance.
People wrongly call the war between the states, a Civil War. That is a Yankee term. It was a war of northern aggression. A war of independence. A war of freedom and separation.
Grant marched through the south burning, pillaging, and theft of property. The south will never forget its heritage. Symbols and all. FYI, the war wasn't about slavery. That is just a foolish Yankee idea.
20 posted on 10/19/2004 5:36:25 PM PDT by BS69 (A yankee who moved south)
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