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Confederate Flag still an issue?
eastcarolinian ^ | October 14, 2004 | Peter Kalajian

Posted on 10/19/2004 5:14:54 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

As I drove down 5th street yesterday, I spied a bumper sticker that addresses an issue I have been waiting for an excuse to write about. It was in the back window of a pickup truck, whose ability to operate I found simply amazing, strategically situated between an empty gun rack and another sticker depicting Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes fame) urinating on "Osama" with a devilish grin on his face.

I will leave the "Osama" reference and defamation of an innocent newspaper comic strip character alone for the purposes of this article, and will concentrate on the content of the other bumper sticker. It was a simple, Confederate flag, next to which was written the words, "Heritage not Hate". Now, if I have ever read something more deserving of one of my diatribes, I cannot recall.

This statement, which for the record I believe to be sheer nonsense, speaks of an issue with which I had very limited experience before relocating to North Carolina, but an issue of importance nonetheless.

All my life, the Confederate flag was something of a joke to me. M history classes in high school and earlier had taught me that the Confederate defeat during the Civil War was a good thing, that the moral argument against slavery (espoused by the Lincoln government in Washington) was a black and white issue, about right and wrong, and that the Union triumph is 1865 was righteous.

Granted, the history I was taught spoke from a biased perspective, from the moral high ground of the abolitionists and northern intellectuals, and never really addressed the true, underlying reasons for the Civil War, which I would come to learn much later. After considering all the information I have been able to locate on the subject, after long hours of trying to understand just where the Confederacy was coming from and why they wanted to defend their way of life, I have come to a few conclusions.

Naturally, these conclusions reflect my upbringing and Northern perspective, and I am more than confident than my loyal readers will have more than a few comments of their own to contribute.

First of all, "Heritage not Hate", is an extreme cop out. Sure, the Confederate flag, displayed in the year 2004, some 140 years after the actual conflict ended, may stand for some long forgotten Southern pride issue. It may stand for the struggles that people in the Southeastern region of the United States suffered through and the wars that they fought.

It may stand for some perceived difference between the North and South, which apparently has persisted to this day, and may fondly recall the era of Southern dominance of the United States.

Woops, little mistake there. The South has never "dominated" anything. It is another region within the greater whole, just as it was then and remains so today. As for the "Not Hate" part of the bumper sticker, a more laughable statement I cannot recall. There are far too many damning coincidences that will forever relegate the Stars and Bars to the level of racist propaganda.

Why is it that hate groups all over the country, to this day, fly the Confederate flag as a symbol of their ideology. White Supremacist organizations,

, the sad, pitiful remnants of the Klu Klux Klan, along with many other neo-Nazi and racially motivated groups all include the Confederate flag amongst their symbols of worship.

Is this coincidence? Are people who fly the Confederate flag, be it in bumper sticker form or on the end of a flagpole, trying to align themselves with such openly evil and backward-thinking organizations? I don't think so. I think that people fly the flag to recall the once glorious Confederated states of America and celebrate their history, while at the same time somehow overlooking the racial implications inherent in the very symbol they hold so high.

Make no mistake. Whether you choose to recognize it or not, the fact remains the same: The Confederate flag is a racist symbol. It was during the Civil War, it remains so today. I challenge anyone to show me an African-American person with a Confederate Flag bumper sticker or "The South will rise again" written in their computers screensaver.

Is this a coincidence? You would sooner find a swastika flying outside the Israel embassy as you would a Confederate flag flying at an N.A.A.C.P rally. To me, the symbols have long been morally relative to each other. Both stand for hate, oppression, and the wanton murder and destruction of a group of people because of some perceived inferiorities. Plantation owners in the South, before and during the Civil War, treated slaves the same way they treated horses and sheep.

They were not human beings, quite the contrary. They could be bought and sold like farm equipment and with as much compassion. So to during the Nazi era in Germany; Jews were not considered people in the same way that German citizens were, therefore their wholesale murder could be justified. Anyone who cannot see the glaring similarities between the Confederate flag and the Swastika needs to pick up a history book and do some research.

If you care to display a symbol that represents the brutality and viciousness and lack of humanity that was involved in something like the slave trade, as the Confederate flag clearly does, you are entitled. The first Amendment to the Constitution allows you the freedom to display just about whatever you care to, but consider this. If you are going to fly the Stars and Bars, don't sugar coat it. Don't downplay the racial aspects and idealize the cultural aspects. They are one in the same.

Be up front and honest about your feelings. Confederacy= Hate I think would be a far more realistic bumper sticker, and as we speak I am in negotiations to have a number of said bumper stickers produced. Let us just call a spade a spade and forget about the "Heritage not Hate" nonsense. It is hateful, you know it is, and beating around the bush about it only takes away from the power of the argument. Let the responsive mud slinging commence!


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KEYWORDS: american; confederate; confederateflag; dixie; dixietrash; flag; hate; heritage; hicks; history; honor; kkk; neoconfederate; rebels; redneckhumor; rednecks; south
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To: bushpilot
Did not know the Natchez Trace was capable of train traffic.

Sarah Debro was a slave in North Carolina. There were rail connections to Vicksburg.

321 posted on 10/22/2004 11:49:34 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: lentulusgracchus
"Sirhan Sirhan shot Robert F. Kennedy" is not an interpretation.

No, because in that case, unlike the claims you made, the judicial process found him guilty. When the Supreme Court has ruled on your claims, let me know. If they say you're right then I'll agree with your interpretation.

322 posted on 10/22/2004 11:50:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Remember to quote your own fatuity when you're standing in the embers of your house.

Why would I want to be standing in the embers of my house?

323 posted on 10/22/2004 11:51:24 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Erratum:
"then 2+2=4 is not an opinion"
324 posted on 10/22/2004 11:51:40 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Why would I want to be standing in the embers of my house?

Because someone who didn't like you declared you to be in "rebellion" and burned it down around you.

325 posted on 10/22/2004 11:52:59 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: bushpilot
me thinks Heyworth's post burning a slave is bogus.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mesn&fileName=111/mesn111.db&recNum=364&itemLink=S?ammem/mesnbib:@field(AUTHOR+@od1(Hall,+Thomas))

326 posted on 10/22/2004 11:54:28 AM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Non-Sequitur
If they say you're right then I'll agree with your interpretation.

Your ad verecundiam groveling is incredibly non-American and bovine. If I can wangle an appointment to the Supremes, will you kiss whatever I tell you to?

327 posted on 10/22/2004 11:55:15 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Non-Sequitur
No, because in that case, unlike the claims you made, the judicial process found him guilty.

LOL! -- You just insisted that every historian in the world prove his theses in court! World history has to come to a grinding halt while Non-Sequitur demands injunctive relief from the processes of human reason!

Simultaneously, you just told us that the truth is whatever the Supreme Court says it is.

"Plessey vs. Ferguson". "Dred Scott". Write those 500 times each on a blackboard.

328 posted on 10/22/2004 11:59:32 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
If I can wangle an appointment to the Supremes, will you kiss whatever I tell you to?

If someone like you can get onto the Supreme Court then hell yes.

329 posted on 10/22/2004 12:06:04 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
You just insisted that every historian in the world prove his theses in court!

No, just ones like you who demand that the world agree with them because...well, because they say so.

Simultaneously, you just told us that the truth is whatever the Supreme Court says it is.

No, but the Supreme Court is tasked with ruling on what is Constitutional and what is not. Not you.

330 posted on 10/22/2004 12:08:15 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Because someone who didn't like you declared you to be in "rebellion" and burned it down around you.

If I was in rebellion then I'd have little to complain about, wouldn't I?

331 posted on 10/22/2004 12:09:29 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Do Be

I certainly do give a dam about what you think after your remarks.


332 posted on 10/22/2004 12:42:52 PM PDT by elephant
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To: bushpilot
veritas nunquam perit

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

334 posted on 10/22/2004 2:09:53 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: x; lentulusgracchus; stainlessbanner; bushpilot; bourbon; stand watie; onyx; Travis McGee; ...
That was much better.

I have never said the South was right. It's much more complex than that and I would argue that in hindsight we are better whole....and I do not relish the Union dead either...but this Union may be tested again....in fact I believe it will but much more fragmented.

I simply enjoy protecting my respect for my ancestors who fought for their states and region...and fought well in my view with some of the best military leaders this nation has ever produced.

Now ..say by the early 80s, some PC and race hustling groups have come along and tried to vilify something that was once honoured or at worst ignored is not my fault and I feel no compunction to submit.

Two evenings ago I had the good fortune to jog the VMI parade ground and the grounds of W&L next door as well as stop by the cemetery where Stonewall is buried.

As I jogged past the W&L chapel in the misty autumn evening and thought of all the heritage within musket range of where I was and the great man buried in the crypt below the chapel along with his family.

I felt nothing but pride and gratitude that I had the good fortune to be born in America....and more particularly the Deep South.

Regards.

PS: as a side note I just discovered in conference with my 4 year old's teacher that her brother was Col. Kim Orlando who was killed near Karbala last year....I had not known that. It was an emotional revelation. I wanted to weep for her. First time I've met someone who has lost someone there up close. BTW...she is fervently PRO_BUSH and thinks Kerry is a traitor....this is a K4 teacher to give perspective.
335 posted on 10/22/2004 2:12:15 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: x
Where do you want to start?

Besides ending slavery what were other spoils of a northern victory?

Land and resources that northern businessmen had longed to get their hands on before the war. Sort of like going to war for oil! Do you think that even back then the northern states would have supported a war simply to gain resources? But alas the slavery issue was good enough to get them fired up. I could go on and on about the different economic reasons for the war but it took me a few years to digest it all.

But let's jump ahead to another BIG issue for going to war, STATES RIGHTS! The right for states to make their own decisions. Guess what X, slavery was on the way out by the time the war started. But the south DID NOT WANT to be told what to do and when to do it. Sort of like the conflict going on today with states wanting to decide for themselves on same-sex marriage.

I guess on that issue liberals can be compared to the Civil War Rebels in telling the Gov't to butt out of their business!

336 posted on 10/22/2004 2:14:59 PM PDT by 100%FEDUP
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To: Heyworth
when you get both a life AND a BRAIN, perhaps i'll care what you think.

complaining about such silliness as whether the spell-checker on FR works OR whether you like my grammar/punctuation/etc. is a sign that you have a vacuum between your ears. that is typical of IGNORANT HATERS, who have NOTHING of importance to say!

why not head over to DU with the other fools/cretins/damnyankee southHATERS. they will really LIKE YOU!

free dixie,sw

338 posted on 10/22/2004 2:26:32 PM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: bushpilot
methinks "heyworth the hateFILLED" isn't smart enough to know he's been duped.

must be his "pubic screwl edumakashun".

free dixie,sw

339 posted on 10/22/2004 2:28:09 PM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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