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To: Sicon
You've spent a lot of time on this thread with replies that have trashed both the Yankee organization, the players and their fans with intense hostile rhetoric. It's a free country and you have every right to express yourself anyway you want. I rarely, if ever, respond to posts like yours. This time, I made an exception. Got fed up with all the whining, spiteful and hate filled posts from people who obviously have serious animosity towards a great sports franchaise. If you don't like being challenged by this Yankee fan, then cool your inflammatory rhetoric and grow up.

>>>>You have repeatedly tried to paint me as being some sort of angry, hatefilled, bile-spewing, immature whiner.

It wasn't difficult either. Your words speak for themselves. Besides, if you can see it, who am I to screw with the truth. A good summation. I won't change a thing.

95 posted on 10/26/2004 9:01:56 AM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man
I'll say it one more time, "bucko", show me the "intense, hostile rhetoric." Apart from calling Steinbrenner a jack@ss (which is neither hateful, nor particularly "intense"), what have you got?

YOU have spent a lot of time accusing everyone of being Yankee haters, but little, if any, backing up what you say.

Meanwhile, you seem oblivious to your own rhetoric.

You were particularly upset that I asked if you were a liberal. Not sure why, considering that you did the following:

1. Attempted to defend bad behavior by claiming that "everyone does it" or "everyone would, if they could get away with it"
2. Repeatedly attacked the messenger, accused those who disagreed with you of being "hateful" or "haters", "angry", etc., rather than argue the point (to wit, you have suggested that I was acting juvenile, that I am ignorant, childish, viscious, etc. And you called other posters losers and whiners, and you called just about everyone a hater). By contrast, I have at no time made any personal attacks on you, just your remarks. Apart from bringing up 26 WS and 39 pennants, I don't see much of you actually making a reasoned response to anyone - you just say they're Yankee-haters and losers.
3. Projected your own anger and hatred onto others, even as you deny that you are either angry or hateful yourself (the old ploy of claiming the high moral ground, whether you're standing on it or not)

Classic liberal tactics, and you used every one. Whether you are a loyal, die-hard Republican or not, I really don't care. The simple fact is that you argue and attempt to justify your points like a liberal.

Some examples of YOUR mature, pleasant level of discourse, from your own posts:

"when the team is trashed from a bunch of lowlifes"
"Here I thought you were just a Yankee hater."
"You guys have been losers for years"
"Spoken like a true Yankee hater!"
"I understand that people like you hate the Yanks"
"to be trashed by people who hatethem."
"I was simply defending my team, on an anti-Yankee thread, filled [with] a bunch of Yankee haters."
"Typical rhetoric from another Yankee hater"

Do you think you could make any more claims about hate? It's a terribly weak way to debate. By constantly accusing any who disagree of "hating," you seek to delegitimize their criticisms by assigning some nefarious motive to them. This is just like the liberals who suggest that simply because someone is opposed to gay marriage, it must be because they "hate" homosexuals. Or that someone who disagrees with "progressive" taxation, must be a greedy person who has no compassion for those less fortunate. THAT is what is pathetic about your arguments, and THAT is what makes you come across LIKE a liberal. Can you not see the difference between saying that you come across LIKE a liberal, and saying that you ARE a liberal? And you talk about ME being defensive? You've been squealing like a stuck pig ever since I said that you seemed like a liberal in the way you were going about making your arguments, and you tell ME to control MY emotions?

Whatever. I've wasted enough of my time on you. Since numerous other posters also pointed out your inclination to label everyone a hater or loser or whatever, there's no need for me to try to prove the point to you.

96 posted on 10/27/2004 9:34:31 AM PDT by Sicon
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