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Could the associated press rig the election?
EcoTalk.org. ^ | 10/22/04 | Lynn Landes

Posted on 10/22/2004 1:58:20 PM PDT by winodog

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To: Scenic Sounds
I'm sure that they could design a system that actually records our individual votes, but then we'd have that old "secret ballot" issue.

Actually, there are cryptographic protocols that handle this rather well. You can have secret ballots where the eligibility of the voter is verified, the vote can be verified (i.e., it's auditable), and each individual vote is verifiable. Bruce Schneier wrote about it in Applied Cryptography. The problem is that any system that satisfies all three requirements, (verification, auditability, secrecy), is pretty darn complex. I cannot imagine having enough trust in the government that they could pull off such a complex thing successfully without having at least one of the thre requirements be violated.

41 posted on 10/22/2004 4:10:19 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: winodog; mhking; Petronski; Fedora; Darksheare; tiamat

Dumbest article of the week ping!


42 posted on 10/22/2004 4:16:06 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason

haha I will have to find something good to make up for it then.


43 posted on 10/22/2004 4:22:26 PM PDT by winodog (We need to water the liberty tree)
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To: Freedom4US
Further, why not preclude ANY state from posting returns until all states have concluded their voting, including Hawaii.

That wouldn't stop the media from conducting exit polls, which would leak regardless. The only solution - as close as we can get to a complete solution, anyway - is to establish a nationwide unified voting time, where all polls open and close at the same time, reagardless of time zones.

44 posted on 10/22/2004 4:30:15 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (How important a Senator can you be if Dick Cheney's never told you to "go [bleep] yourself"?)
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To: stands2reason
ES&S, the nation's largest voting machine company that will reportedly count 50% of all votes

I don't know about the rest of the article, but ES&S certainly warrants scrutiny--I remember researching them and some related companies during the 2000 election and there's an interesting story there. . .

45 posted on 10/22/2004 4:47:47 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: winodog
The Collier brothers, authors of the book, VoteScam: The Stealing of America

In the video that originally went with that book just prior to the 2000 election (after which Collier jumped on the anti-Bush bandwagon), an interesting point was made that although Jeb Bush was governor of Florida, the government positions involved in the vote monitoring process had been appointed by Democrats. The 2000 edition of their book also has some interesting information on Janet Reno's Florida period and its relation to Senator Bob Graham and to Katharine Graham's use of "Washington Post"/CBS affiliates to rig elections in Florida.

46 posted on 10/22/2004 4:58:12 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: winodog
The AP is batting for a Bush presidency.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

What a joke.

47 posted on 10/22/2004 5:01:10 PM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: winodog

Yes, they definitely can - particularly when they have also been put in charge of "exit polling" so you can be sure the exit totals will match the actual results they are feeding the news anchors.

Wouldn't want some inconvenient discrepancies to pop up.

I can't believe they've been given all this power.


48 posted on 10/22/2004 5:05:10 PM PDT by Let's Roll (For a guy who shirks his own job, Kerry sure is eager to tell others what they should do ...)
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To: Fedora

My favorite lines:
"Computer experts say that signals can travel both to and from computerized voting machines through wireless technology, modems, and even simple electricity."

but this is the howler:

"The AP is batting for a Bush presidency."


49 posted on 10/22/2004 5:06:44 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: winodog

demonRAT rule #1) Accuse the other side of what you yourself are guilty of ...


50 posted on 10/22/2004 5:10:00 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: stands2reason
"The AP is batting for a Bush presidency."

Yeah, that part's kinda funny :)

51 posted on 10/22/2004 5:14:49 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: winodog

Isn't AP owned by the Reverand Moon?


52 posted on 10/22/2004 5:27:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: SE Mom
but here in Florida even if you don't have a driver's license- you must have a photo ID.

Ever since 2000, that's how things have been in Montana. If you don't have a photo ID, you don't vote.

53 posted on 10/22/2004 5:55:51 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: winodog

If Gore hadn't been a sore loser, and Voter News Service hadn't jumped the gun on Florida, we wouldn't be reading articles like this.


54 posted on 10/22/2004 5:59:20 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: winodog; TheLion

I don't trust it either. But then, I don't trust early voting, absentee balloting, election judges, or those who are supposed to ensure that the votes cast are legitimate. In other words, I have no faith whatsoever in the process anymore.


55 posted on 10/22/2004 6:07:28 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: winodog
And what can be downloaded can also be uploaded. Computer experts say that signals can travel both to and from computerized voting machines through wireless technology, modems, and even simple electricity.

Tehy lost credibility with this one .... one word, FIREWALLS!

56 posted on 10/22/2004 6:29:07 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: maryz

It's kind of amusing, almost, to see our politicians simultaneously push for a National Photo ID Card, but deny any identification requirement to VOTE. I can't even rent a movie from Blockbuster without showing proof of ID.

Most articles don't refer to us as citizens - just "voters". What's happening is LEGAL citizens are being DISENFRANCHISED with vote dilution, and possibly invalid election. Time for this nonsense to go away in 2004. If any candidate wins fair and square in an open and honest election, it's OK with me. Might not like it, but there's always 2008.


57 posted on 10/22/2004 8:40:48 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: winodog

Could the associated press rig the election?

Only on days that end in "y".


58 posted on 10/22/2004 8:47:36 PM PDT by sport
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