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Could the associated press rig the election?
EcoTalk.org. ^ | 10/22/04 | Lynn Landes

Posted on 10/22/2004 1:58:20 PM PDT by winodog

The Associated Press (AP) will be the sole source of raw vote totals for the major news broadcasters on Election Night. However, AP spokesmen Jack Stokes and John Jones refused to explain to this journalist how the AP will receive that information. They refused to confirm or deny that the AP will receive direct feed from voting machines and central vote tabulating computers across the country. But, circumstantial evidence suggests that is exactly what will happen.

And what can be downloaded can also be uploaded. Computer experts say that signals can travel both to and from computerized voting machines through wireless technology, modems, and even simple electricity. Computer scientists have long warned that computer voting is an invitation to vote fraud and system failure. An examination of Diebold election software by several computer scientists, including Dr. Avi Rubin and his staff, proved that secret backdoors can be built into computer programs that allow votes to be easily manipulated without detection.

ES&S, the nation's largest voting machine company that will reportedly count 50% of all votes, describe on their webpage how "accessible" their results are, "At ES&S, we know election administrators and the public want fast and accurate election results. That is why we have developed several election management system software solutions to make the reporting process easier, more reliable, and more accessible." Diebold, the second largest voting machine company, advertises a similar service. Both ES&S and Diebold have close ties to the Republican Party.

But, can't the AP be trusted? Isn't it an objective non-partisan news organization? Some say no. The AP is batting for a Bush presidency.

In Online Journal, Stephen Crockett and Al Lawrence, the hosts of Democratic Talk Radio, wrote, "...the Associated Press ran a story that was widely published in newspapers and on the Internet, headlined "Bush Leads Kerry In Electoral Votes," that could have been written by the Bush campaign. The assignment of states to candidates, the headline and the conclusions were all simply wrong. The Associated Press should print a retraction and work to see that it is widely published."

And on WBAY TV in Green Bay, Wisconsin ran an AP article reporting that Bush has won the election, weeks before the election is to take place. The AP reported, "At this hour, President Bush has won re-election as president by a 47 percent to 43 percent margin in the popular vote nationwide. Ralph Nader has 1 percent of the vote nationwide. That's with 51 percent of the precincts reporting." According to reports, the AP is now saying the article was a "test article," a never-heard-before journalistic practice.

Who is the AP? The Associated Press was founded in 1848. It is a not-for-profit news cooperative, some would say ‘monopoly’, that rakes in about $500 million dollars a year. The AP is owned by its 1,500 U.S. daily newspaper members. Their board of directors is elected by voting ‘bonds’. However, it is not clear who controls the bonds. AP spokespeople would not give out information on who sits on their board, however AP leadership appears quite conservative.

Burl Osborne, chairman of the AP board of directors, is also publisher emeritus of the conservative The Dallas Morning News, a newspaper that endorsed George W. Bush in the last election. Kathleen Carroll, senior vice president and executive editor of AP, was a reporter at The Dallas Morning News before joining AP. Carroll is also on the Associated Press Managing Editors (APME)’s 7-member executive committee. The APME "works in partnership with AP to improve the wire service's performance," according to their website. APME vice president, Deanna Sands, is managing editor of the ultra conservative Omaha World Herald newspaper, whose parent company owns the largest voting machine company in the nation, Election Systems and Software (ES&S).

Many Americans believe that polling organizations and the broadcasters will raise the red flag on any election shenanigans. But others have their doubts.

The Collier brothers, authors of the book, VoteScam: The Stealing of America, wrote about vote fraud and the role the news media and polls played. In 1970, Channel 7 in Miami projected with 100% accuracy (a virtual impossibility) the final vote totals on election day. When asked where they got their exit poll data, both Channel 3 & Channel 7 claimed that the League of Women Voters sent it in from the precincts. But, the League's local president tearfully denied it, say, "I don't want to get caught up in this thing." The broadcasters then told the Colliers that a private contractor used the data from a single voting machine to project the winners, but the contractor said he got the data from a University of Miami professor, who in turn denied this. In the end, the news broadcasters appeared to have got the polling numbers out of thin air.

One thing is clear. The air will be thick with distrust and doubt on Election Night 2004.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: computers; conspiracytheories; election; fraud; kooks; loonyleft; nutbags; offtheirmeds; redikilowatt; votes
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I for one sure do not trust electronic voting
1 posted on 10/22/2004 1:58:20 PM PDT by winodog
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To: winodog
From the article:"And what can be downloaded can also be uploaded"

Stupid comment, which makes the rest of the article suspect.

2 posted on 10/22/2004 1:59:47 PM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: bcoffey

Yep...that's where I screeched to a halt as well...


3 posted on 10/22/2004 2:00:34 PM PDT by danneskjold (All balloons, what the hell! There's nothing falling! What the f%#@ are you guys doing up there?)
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To: winodog
The AP is batting for a Bush presidency

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah!
4 posted on 10/22/2004 2:01:23 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Click my profile page to see my US Election Atlas Presidential Prediction Map!)
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To: winodog
But, can't the AP be trusted? Isn't it an objective non-partisan news organization? Some say no. The AP is batting for a Bush presidency. In Online Journal, Stephen Crockett and Al Lawrence, the hosts of Democratic Talk Radio, wrote, "...the Associated Press ran a story that was widely published in newspapers and on the Internet, headlined "Bush Leads Kerry In Electoral Votes," that could have been written by the Bush campaign. The assignment of states to candidates, the headline and the conclusions were all simply wrong. The Associated Press should print a retraction and work to see that it is widely published."

If the AP wants a republican to be elected they are doing a great job of covering it up.

5 posted on 10/22/2004 2:01:57 PM PDT by winodog (We need to water the liberty tree)
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To: winodog

The AP is batting for a Bush presidency

Huh?


6 posted on 10/22/2004 2:02:08 PM PDT by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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To: bcoffey
Stupid comment, which makes the rest of the article suspect.

No, this stupid comment makes the rest of the article suspect:

Computer experts say that signals can travel both to and from computerized voting machines through wireless technology, modems, and even simple electricity.

7 posted on 10/22/2004 2:02:09 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: winodog

I WANT to trust it (electronic voting)...but in my heart I don't ...maybe I will in the future.

Why this is so difficult I do NOT understand. You register, the day of the election you go to the poll WITH your PICTURE ID, you vote. Wouldn't enforced pic ID cards put a stop to some of this crap? No excuses- no exceptions.


8 posted on 10/22/2004 2:02:24 PM PDT by SE Mom
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

LOL You say it much better then I do.


9 posted on 10/22/2004 2:02:43 PM PDT by winodog (We need to water the liberty tree)
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To: winodog

"The AP is batting for a Bush presidency."

Sure, it is. On BIZZARO WORLD!!!!


10 posted on 10/22/2004 2:02:52 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: winodog

AP battling for a Bush presidency?? Can't be.


11 posted on 10/22/2004 2:03:28 PM PDT by KStorm (I don't know if I'm a neocon, but I have been called cro-magnon!)
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To: winodog

Anyone who listens to any of the news outlets regarding results before they've voted and does not vote b/c of it is foolish. Besides, even if this made sense, as with everything the DNC and its operatives touch, they have the equal chance of turning into shiite just as much if not more than they do of gold.

Kerry/they should just stick their hands in their pockets, quit meddling, and watch their hopes and dreams of the liberal utopia disintegrate on the eve of the 2nd.

The majority of people in this country are too intelligent to elect a guy like Kerry. If not, oh well, there's not much you can do about a stupid mob.


12 posted on 10/22/2004 2:04:39 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: winodog

Quote:
And what can be downloaded can also be uploaded. Computer experts say that signals can travel both to and from computerized voting machines through wireless technology, modems, and even simple electricity."

This writer has absolutely no credibility at all. What total nonsense.

Any first year computer science student will tell you this is trash.


13 posted on 10/22/2004 2:04:51 PM PDT by konaice
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To: winodog
I for one sure do not trust electronic voting

I can see that.

I'm sure that they could design a system that actually records our individual votes, but then we'd have that old "secret ballot" issue.

14 posted on 10/22/2004 2:06:30 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: JazzX

Has anyone ever given thought to a secret ballot? Further, why not preclude ANY state from posting returns until all states have concluded their voting, including Hawaii. In a wierd sort of way, modern voting is like physics, we alter the outcome by observation.


15 posted on 10/22/2004 2:06:46 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: winodog

No kidding, they sure had me fooled. Those rascals, rooting for a Bush presidency the whole time.


16 posted on 10/22/2004 2:06:56 PM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Terrorists will "global test" us right off the planet)
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To: danneskjold
The AP is batting for a Bush presidency.


17 posted on 10/22/2004 2:07:09 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: winodog
I sure don't trust liberals who plant distrust
and that's what this is.

If they can get enough people to distrust the system
then their disingenuous cries of fraud seem valid.
18 posted on 10/22/2004 2:07:23 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: winodog

Karl Rove is no dummy. I'm sure the GOP will have lawyers at the AP feed site.


19 posted on 10/22/2004 2:07:34 PM PDT by Merry
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To: winodog

Communist aparatchik. Socialist yellow-journalism lying goons. Media thugs. Deceitful Demonrat Kool Aid Drinkers!
Any ???????????????????????s!


20 posted on 10/22/2004 2:08:35 PM PDT by Doc Savage
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