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To: Willie Green
I assume that airspace over such an event is restricted only temporarily, while the event is in progress, and not indicated on any map. Since I am not a pilot, can anybody tell me how private planes are supposed to know about these temporary restrictions?

NOTAMS (Notice to Airmen) that are required reading before flying into any area.
40 posted on 10/23/2004 3:03:39 PM PDT by jimthewiz
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To: jimthewiz

If the pilot was simply participating in Flight Following he would have been advised well in advance of busting the TFR. Instead He's flying fat and happy and out of comm with everyone. He will have his own personal TFR once the FAA yanks his ticket for a few months.


47 posted on 10/23/2004 3:09:47 PM PDT by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: jimthewiz

I'd hate to be on the receiving end of the ramp check those pilots received today. The FAA doesn't take it lightly when you don't bother to check the NOTAMs, nor should they.

I'd say a minimum 90 day suspension of their tickets is in order. They'll be lucky to keep their license at all, but at least suspend them for stupidity.


48 posted on 10/23/2004 3:10:15 PM PDT by datura (Let's roll? No, Lock and load.)
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To: jimthewiz

Here is how it works.

Any pilot going anywhere has the responsibility to know the current airspace classifications they intend to fly through.

To do this all one needs is a route briefing from Flight Service (just before you take off) or there is a fabulous on line service called DUATS that you can get all the info you ever wanted at your pace.

Contrary to some of the less than well thought out first dozen or so posts here (do you people not occasionally relish the glory of the unwritten/unspoken thought??, you might want to try it sometime you're giving us a bad name here) no pilot willfully disregards these restrictions. (even a 500 hour pilot has about $40 to $50 thousand wrapped up in his license).

But when they (TFR - Temporary Flight Restrictions) pop up according to Bush's campaign schedule it does turn out to be a random, quickly occuring event and previously unrestricted airspace now becomes severely restricted. A student buddy of mine was avoiding Bush just in the past few days here in the Denver area for example. Everywhere Bush goes, a TFR is published. You don't get a lot of warning.

Florida has more general aviation traffic than any other state with the possible exception of California sometimes.

The real miracle is that only two pilots out of thousands did not get the info.

Nothing will be done to them. The general aviation community has not been a problem of any kind since 9/11.


83 posted on 10/23/2004 3:51:29 PM PDT by Pylot
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