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To: ottothedog
Healthcare is getting cheaper.

It sounds good...but it isn't true.

Certainly technological advance has improved, and in cases such as you cite, made certain kinds of health care cheaper. But if you look at the actual costs of all the elements which make up modern medical care you find they are increasing - radically.

What is actually happening is that the quality of healthcare is going up

Very true...if you can afford it.

. The problem is that w/ third party payers, people are willing to spend large sums of money for minimal improvements, so we are spending more.

Only half true. When people are self-payers do they forego minimal improvements or necessary services? The best evidence - from emergency rooms - is that the latter predominates by far.

Try looking at the cost of delivering a baby in a hospital. It's expensive. Do we really need all that stuff? I mean people can deliver babies at home by themselves. The answer, I think, is a metaphor for what we face.

Or look at the cost of treating cancer, or some of the diseases of age. In the past most people just dropped dead earlier. Do you want to consider modern treatment of such things as frivolities?

The middle class are the ones getting all that elective surgery

In Los Angeles most elective surgeons, like most lawyers, are located in the wealthiest parts of the city. I think that's true most everywhere.

drug use among the poor probably causes a signifigant part of their health problems

Poverty is the cause of the health problems of the poor - now and always. Drug use in the middle and upper classes is treated and not compounded by bad diets and overwhelming stress.

61 posted on 10/24/2004 11:24:01 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
To achieve the same outcome it costs far less than it used to. Are you suggesting that we are becoming less efficient? I find that mystifing.

We can treat a lot of stuff (like AIDS) that we couldn't used to. That is an improvement, not an increase in cost.

If people are paying, they make more rational choices. For instance, if a generic is 10% cheaper, they might still get the brand name. But, if it is 90% cheaper they will probably go with the generic.

I know lots of middle class people here in the midwest who have gotten elective surgery. Maybe you guys out in LA are paying too much of your $$$ for housing...

Poverty doesn't cause health problems, a poor lifestyle does. Go to a Sam's and you can buy a huge sack of rice + some veggies for minimal $$$. It costs more to get a big bag of Dorito's. You are practicing the soft bigotry of low expectations. Shame on you.

I thought you liberals were supposed to be compassionate? You don't think the middle class has stress?

64 posted on 10/24/2004 11:45:11 AM PDT by ottothedog
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