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>>>> They try to pin on the Adminstration but chicken out near the end. Its a mish-mash of old and new speculation.



TRACKING THE WEAPONS
Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished From Site in Iraq
By JAMES GLANZ, WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER

his article was reported and written by James Glanz, William J. Broad and David E. Sanger.

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 24 - The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives - used to demolish buildings, produce missile warheads and detonate nuclear weapons - are missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.

The huge facility, called Al Qaqaa, was supposed to be under American military control but is now a no-man's land, still picked over by looters as recently as Saturday. United Nations weapons inspectors had monitored the explosives for many years, but White House and Pentagon officials acknowledge that the explosives vanished after the American invasion last year.

The White House said President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, was informed within the past month that the explosives were missing. It is unclear whether President Bush was informed. American officials have never publicly announced the disappearance, but beginning last week they answered questions about it posed by The New York Times and the CBS News program "60 Minutes."

American weapons experts say their immediate concern is that the explosives could be used in major bombing attacks against American or Iraqi forces: the explosives, mainly HMX and RDX, could be used to produce bombs strong enough to shatter airplanes or tear apart buildings. The bomb that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 used less than a pound of the material of the type stolen from Al Qaqaa, and somewhat larger amounts were apparently used in the bombing of a housing complex in November 2003 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and the blasts in a Moscow apartment complex in September 1999 that killed nearly 300 people.

The explosives could also be used to trigger a nuclear weapon, which was why international nuclear inspectors had kept a watch on the material. But the other components of an atom bomb - the design and the radioactive fuel - are more difficult to obtain. "This is a high explosives risk, but not necessarily a proliferation risk," one senior Bush administration official said.

The International Atomic Energy Agency publicly warned about the danger of these explosives before the war, and after the invasion it specifically told United States officials about the need to keep the explosives secured, European diplomats said in interviews last week. Administration officials say they cannot explain why the explosives were not safeguarded, beyond the fact that the occupation force was overwhelmed by the amount of munitions they found throughout the country.

The Qaqaa facility, about 30 miles south of Baghdad, was well known to American intelligence officials: Saddam Hussein made conventional warheads at the site, and the I.A.E.A. dismantled parts of his nuclear program there in the early 1990's after the Persian Gulf war in 1991. In the prelude to the 2003 invasion, Mr. Bush cited a number of other "dual use" items - including tubes that the administration contended could be converted to use for the nuclear program - as a justification for invading Iraq. After the invasion, when widespread looting began in Iraq, the international weapons experts grew concerned that the Qaqaa stockpile could fall into unfriendly hands. In May, an internal I.A.E.A. memorandum warned that terrorists might be helping "themselves to the greatest explosives bonanza in history."

An Arsenal Turned No-Man's Land

To see the bunkers that makeup the vast Qaqaa complex today, it is hard to recall that just two years ago it was part of Saddam Hussein's secret military complex. The bunkers are so large that they are reminiscent of pyramids, though with rounded edges and the tops chopped off. Several are blackened and eviscerated as a result of American bombing. Smokestacks rise in the distance.

Today, Al Qaqaa has become a no-man's land that is generally avoided even by the Marines in charge of north Babil Province. Headless bodies are found there. An ammunition dump has been looted, and on Sunday an Iraqi employee of The New York Times who made a furtive visit to the site saw looters tearing out metal fixtures. Bare pipes within the darkened interior of one of the buildings were a tangled mess, zigzagging along charred walls. Someone fired a shot, probably to frighten the visitors off.

"It's like Mars on Earth," said Maj. Dan Whisnant, an intelligence officer for the Second Battalion, 24th Marine Regiment. "It would take probably 10 battalions 10 years to clear that out."

Saddam Hussein's engineers acquired HMX and RDX when they embarked on a crash effort to build an atomic bomb in the late 1980's. It did not go smoothly. In 1989, a huge blast ripped through Al Qaqaa, the boom reportedly heard hundreds of miles away. The explosion, it was later determined, occurred when a stockpile of the high explosives ignited.

After the 1991 Persian Gulf war, the United Nations discovered Iraq's clandestine effort and put the I.A.E.A., the United Nations arms agency, in charge of Al Qaqaa's huge stockpile. Weapon inspectors determined that Iraq had bought the explosives from France, China and Yugoslavia, a European diplomat said.

But the majority of the explosives were not destroyed, arms experts familiar with the decision recalled, because Iraq argued that it should be allowed to keep them for eventual use in mining and civilian construction. But Al Qaqaa was still under the authority of the Military Industrial Council, which was led for a time by Hussein Kamel, Saddam Hussein's son-in-law. He defected to the West, then returned to Iraq and was immediately killed.

In 1996, the United Nations hauled away some of the HMX and used it to blow up Al Hakam, a vast Iraqi factory for making germ weapons.

The Qaqaa stockpile went unmonitored from late 1998, when United Nations inspectors left Iraq, to late 2002, when they came back. Upon their return, the inspectors discovered that about 35 tons of HMX were missing. The Iraqis said they had used the explosive in civilian programs.

The remaining stockpile was no secret. Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, the director general of the I.A.E.A., frequently talked about it publicly as he investigated, in late 2002 and early 2003, the Bush administration's claims that Iraq was secretly renewing its pursuit of nuclear arms. He ordered his weapons inspectors to conduct an inventory, and publicly reported their findings to the Security Council on Jan. 9, 2003.

During the following weeks, the I.A.E.A. repeatedly drew public attention to the explosives. In New York on Feb. 14, nine days after Secretary of State Colin L. Powell presented his arms case to the Security Council, Dr. ElBaradei reported that the I.A.E.A. had found no sign of new atom endeavors but "has continued to investigate the relocation and consumption of the high explosive HMX."

An Inspector's Warning

A European diplomat reported that Jacques Baute, head of the I.A.E.A.'s Iraq nuclear inspection team, warned officials at the United States mission in Vienna about the danger of the nuclear sites and materials once under I.A.E.A. supervision, including Al Qaqaa.

But apparently, little was done. A senior Bush administration official said that during the initial race to Baghdad, American forces "went through the bunkers, but saw no materials bearing the I.A.E.A. seal." It is unclear whether they ever returned.

By late 2003, diplomats said, I.A.E.A. experts had obtained commercial satellite photos of Al Qaqaa showing that two of roughly 10 bunkers that contained HMX appeared to have been leveled by titanic blasts, apparently during the war. They presumed some of the HMX had exploded, but that is unclear.

Other HMX bunkers were untouched. Some were damaged but not devastated. I.A.E.A. experts say they assume that just before the invasion the Iraqis followed their standard practice of moving crucial explosives out of buildings, so they would not be tempting targets. If so, the experts say, the Iraqi must have broken I.A.E.A. seals on bunker doors and moved most of the HMX to nearby fields, where it would have been lightly camouflaged - and ripe for looting.

But the Bush administration would not allow the agency back into the country to verify the status of the stockpile. In May 2004, Iraqi officials say in interviews, they warned L. Paul Bremer III, the American head of the occupation authority, that Al Qaqaa had probably been looted. It is unclear if that warning was passed anywhere. Efforts to reach Mr. Bremer by telephone were unsuccessful. But by that time, the Americans were preoccupied with the transfer of authority to Iraq, and the insurgency was gaining strength. "It's not an excuse," said one senior administration official. "But a lot of things went by the boards."

Early this month, Dr. ElBaradei put public pressure on the interim Iraqi government to start the process of accounting for nuclear-related materials still ostensibly under I.A.E.A. supervision, including the Al Qaqaa stockpile.

"Iraq is obliged," he wrote to the president of the Security Council on Oct. 1, "to declare semiannually changes that have occurred or are foreseen."

The agency, Dr. ElBaradei added pointedly, "has received no such notifications or declarations from any state since the agency's inspectors were withdrawn from Iraq in March 2003."

Two weeks ago, on Oct. 10, Dr. Mohammed J. Abbas of the Iraqi Ministry of Science and Technology wrote a letter to the I.A.E.A. to say that the Qaqaa stockpile had been lost . He added that his ministry judged that an "urgent updating of the registered materials is required."

A chart in his letter listed 341.7 metric tons, about 377 American tons, of HMX, RDX and PETN as missing.

Five days later, on Oct. 15, European diplomats said, the I.A.E.A. wrote the United States mission in Vienna to forward the Iraqi letter and ask that American authorities inform the international coalition in Iraq of the missing explosives.

Dr. ElBaradei, a European diplomat said, is "extremely concerned" about the potentially "devastating consequences" of the vanished stockpile.

Its fate remains unknown. Glenn Earhart, manager of an Army Corps of Engineers program in Huntsville, Ala., that is in charge of rounding up and destroying lost Iraqi munitions, said he and his colleagues knew nothing of the whereabouts of the Qaqaa stockpile.

Administration officials say Iraq was awash in munitions, including other stockpiles of exotic explosives.

"The only reason this stockpile was under seal," said one senior administration official, "is because it was located at Al Qaqaa," where nuclear work had gone on years ago.


12 posted on 10/24/2004 7:25:57 PM PDT by Pikamax
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this stuff is really not new. They have been stealing munitions right along and they have stockpiles of the stuff all over Iraq. Our guys are finding it as fast as they can and destroying it. With the Iraqis being trained as soldiers several of them have come forward and volunteird information about ammo dumps we knew nothing about. Don't know if this hurts Bush or not. Don't think it does but you never know.


25 posted on 10/24/2004 7:28:54 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Pikamax

this story is a setup for something else - the 4th paragraph is the giveaway - the DNC may well be plugged in with the terrorists in iraq, with knowledge of some large scale attack in Iraq this week - using these explosives.

then it becomes a bigger story.


31 posted on 10/24/2004 7:30:05 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Pikamax
Hello,

A pet peeve of mine is the length of the articles written by the NYT. They go on, and on, and on, and generally say very little. Oh, they use big words, and weave pretty word pictures to accuse those on the right of the most heinous crimes, but couldn't they accomplish their little lefty goals quicker?
Glad to be here, MOgirl
71 posted on 10/24/2004 7:37:43 PM PDT by MOgirl (In memory of Walton Wayne Callahan, I love you forever.)
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To: Pikamax

NYT Excerpted. Posted entire article at #12.


72 posted on 10/24/2004 7:37:49 PM PDT by Rebelbase (President Jimmy Carter is a complete idiot .)
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To: Pikamax

Am I missing something? Does it say anywhere that the 377 tons of explosives were verified to have been there at the time of the invasion?


76 posted on 10/24/2004 7:38:40 PM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Pikamax
Isn't this kinda old?

Cripes, I remember the air strike where they got huge secondary explosions on the ground.

No doubt some of the stuff made it into the terrorist's hands, but so dis thousands of bombs, missiles, arty rounds and you name it.

That is why we took the bastards out to begin with.

89 posted on 10/24/2004 7:40:39 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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"In May, an internal I.A.E.A. memorandum warned that terrorists might be helping "themselves to the greatest explosives bonanza in history." "

In May, the I.A.E.A. also refused to give U.S. Forces permission to remove 500 tons of Uranium.

"However, the International Atomic Energy Agency has taken the position that the uranium is Iraqi property and the agency "cannot give them permission to remove it," a diplomat said."

San Diego Union Tribune
91 posted on 10/24/2004 7:40:43 PM PDT by DocRock (Support the tagline tax relief fund. Donations can be made on my homepage.)
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A European diplomat reported that Jacques Baute, head of the I.A.E.A.'s Iraq nuclear inspection team, warned officials at the United States mission in Vienna about the danger of the nuclear sites and materials once under I.A.E.A. supervision, including Al Qaqaa.

So if the French and other Eurocrats were so darned worried, then why didn't they volunteer troops to help guard the facilities after the invasion? Two-faced wienies....

145 posted on 10/24/2004 7:56:52 PM PDT by Log
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That's it? This is the article that's going to get Kerry elected?


146 posted on 10/24/2004 7:56:52 PM PDT by ShandaLear (Vote Kerry! He knows what you've got and just who to give it to!)
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".......the explosives, mainly HMX and RDX, ........ The bomb that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 used less than a pound of the material of the type stolen from Al Qaqaa, and somewhat larger amounts were apparently used in the bombing of a housing complex in November 2003 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and the blasts in a Moscow apartment complex in September 1999 that killed nearly 300 people. "

" explosives could also be used to trigger a nuclear weapon, which was why international nuclear inspectors had kept a watch on the material.

Dear NYT morons: Please tell me again that this is not a link between Al-Qaeda and Saddam.

169 posted on 10/24/2004 8:06:23 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kerry launched his career by trashing the VN Vets. He ends by trashing the NG. Such class.)
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but beginning last week they answered questions about it posed by The New York Times and the CBS News program "60 Minutes."

The dynamic duo of confusion and lies. Too bad they've given up their credibility.

171 posted on 10/24/2004 8:06:43 PM PDT by swheats
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To: Pikamax
very vague and incomplete to speak kindly...

IT is one sided by omission and but the same NYT creative story craft they are famous for -stories constructed to support agenda...

Some questions:

When did the weapons disappear -before or after the interim government was in charge?

If the interim government is issuing this public concern -WHY did NYT get a scoop on something scoopless?
189 posted on 10/24/2004 8:13:41 PM PDT by DBeers
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"on Feb. 14, (2003).......... Dr. ElBaradei reported that the I.A.E.A. had found no sign of new atom endeavors but "has continued to investigate the relocation and consumption of the high explosive HMX."

So five weeks before the invasion, the relocation was well under way. Where, pray tell was it relocated to? Blixie's Boys were in country at the time. Didn't they bother to follow the trucks? After all, the UN's access was supposedly pretty well unrestricted. At least that's what Blixie told us.

202 posted on 10/24/2004 8:19:26 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kerry launched his career by trashing the VN Vets. He ends by trashing the NG. Such class.)
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"A chart in his letter listed 341.7 metric tons, about 377 American tons, of HMX, RDX and PETN as missing."

It is Iran or Syria... my thought is Iran. Very handy as it was not purchased so would not draw inquires by the I.A.E.A.

I think they saw an opportunity and just trucked it out. Now they have the H.E. for nuclear bombs or dirty bombs or to dole out to terrorist groups.

We should have destroyed it during the war. Perfect excuse and it would be gone. Now our soldiers or our citizens could have it used against them.
222 posted on 10/24/2004 8:44:23 PM PDT by JSteff
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Every time Kerry talks about what was not done it Iraq it is a direct hit on the military. The President does not run day to day operations in the war and for Kerry to intone that it undermines our great military.


288 posted on 10/25/2004 4:36:39 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Kerry will bring the Big Dig to Washington in the form of Healthcare becasue thats what liberals do)
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