2nd Amendment Newbie (vanity)

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[Ranxerox]

But I'm not finished collecting enough material for my lifesized papier-mache T-rex.

LOL - Funniest thing is that you aren't exaggerating.

[Chemist_Geek]

I'll add the generally accepted proposition that the single-action handgun is a more accurate firing condition because ot time-lag. This, as with all other firearm opinions, is disputed.

Well, SA handguns have shorter lock times. But I submit that most people, myself included, have a harder time maintaining sight alignment during the long, heavy DA trigger squeeze than during a short, light SA squeeze.

[Ladysmith]

What happened there? And where?

[logic]

well, lets see....

My Ruger MKII was stolen out of the glovebox of my car in PHX.

My Tokarov was taken by the Mesa police because I drew it to defend myself against a convicted felon who drew on me first (I have several misdemeanor convictions but no felonies). My landlord had tried to get me evicted for six months but was unable to come up with any valid reason until my wife came over with with her boyfriend she was living with (the convicted felon), and we got into an argument because he was there. The landlord called the police claiming I was pointing my gun at my wife (both her and I explained to the police my gun was not un-holstered until her boyfriend drew on me first, and I never pointed it at anyone until I drew it and I still wonder if things would have turned out better if I had just shot him instead of maintaining a 'mexican standoff' until the police arrived). The police didn't care, I was the criminal and her and her boyfriend were the victims...(I don't know what he told them and I didn't know he was a convicted felon until a couple months later)

My WWII Remington Rand M1911A1 was taken by the Denver Police Department because they don't believe Denver resides within the State of Colorado or the United States of America (both of which have clear and explicit provisions in their Constitutions that protect the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms) because they can enforce their city ordinance which is in direct conflict with both the state and national constitutions. I even fought Denver, cost me $3,500.00 in legal fees for crooked judges to say "Don't you dare try to quote the constitution in my court!! I determine the law not the jury."

Anyway, after several early setbacks, I am growing my collection slowly up here in the mountains and developing my fortress!!! My latest additions are a WWII Mosin Nagant 91/30 That I will use for my first deer hunt next year, and I got my brother's (deceased) Ruger MKII that was the match for mine that was stolen long ago....

[Wisconsin]

Well there is something to say for that ...but

1. A tyro with a shotgun will get a hit at close range. Not so with a pistol

2. Regardless of whether it hits, a shotgun will intimidate the hell out of anyone.

3. A light load in a shotgun for reduced kick will be lethal or incapacitating.

Moreover you can easily make non-lethal loads (I know, I was once shot with rock salt when I was a kid).

4. A shotgun, particularly a break action one, is a safer weapon than a handgun.

[Chemist_Geek]

For home defense for new shooters, I like to recommend the Remington 1100 in 20 gauge with an extended magazine. That's only after they've spent a while getting used to long guns with a 10/22, though.

A #3 20 gauge shotshell 7/8 oz load has, approximately, 16 quarter inch diameter pellets headed downrange at about 1200 FPS. It's too late here to do the math, but that's a lot of KE and momentum hitting the Bad Guy.

I don't like the Cult of the 12 Gauge - 20s are just as effective as a 12, and are much easier for more varieties of people to handle effectively.

[supercat]

Actually, this leads me to what I'm sure will get laughs as a really stoopid newbie quesion: for semiauto pistols, what is the difference between a single-action and double-action trigger? The Walther is a double-action, the Beretta single action. What does this mean in functional terms?

Firing a shot "single action" releases the energy stored in a spring without the trigger adding any more. Firing a shot "double action" imparts energy into the spring and then releases it, without requiring any energy to have been stored there previously. Some pistols operate in an intermediate mode, where the hammer/striker is kept partially cocked and the trigger adds some more energy prior to release.

Revolvers come in three categories: single-action-only, double-action only (which cannot be "cocked") and single/double action (the most common sort, which can be manually cocked before shooting but can be fired without).

Automatics add two more categories for which I've not heard formal nomenclature, but which I'd call "intermediate action only" [e.g. the Kel-Tec P32] and "Glock action" [which operates in "intermediate mode" for the first shot, but which will fully recock when the action cycles and may be fired again by partially-releasing and re-pulling the trigger; unlike a single/double-action pistol, however, the Glock reverts to half-cock mode if the trigger is released fully].

[vannrox]

...Mordue held that Bach could not allege a constitutional right to bear arms because the "Second Amendment is not a source of individual rights."...

IGNORANT OR INTENTIONALLY REVISIONIST JUDGES!

The Preamble to the Bill of Rights

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[This is a note to me from Dr. Linda Thompson of the American Justice Federation that I am passing along to everyone...email me with your comments ken]

[to ken]
You left off the MOST IMPORTANT PART of the Bill of Rights -- the PREAMBLE which tells SPECIFICALLY that the Bill of Rights was to make sure the government knew it was limited to the powers stated in the Constitution and if it didn't, the amendments were rights of the people the government couldn't screw with.
Our revisionist historians ALWAYS leave this off the Constitution!!!
Here's a copy!!!

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Effective December 15, 1791
Articles in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

PREAMBLE
The conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution.

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The first ten amendments are "declaratory and restrictive clauses". This means they supersede all other parts of our Constitution and restrict the powers of our Constitution.

There are people in this country that do not want you to know that these two sentences ever existed. For many years these words were "omitted" from copies of our Constitution. Public and private colleges alike have based their whole interpretation of our Constitution on the fraudulent version of this text. Those corrupt individuals have claimed that the amendments can be changed by the will of the people. By this line of reasoning the amendments are open to interpretation. This is a clever deception. The Bill of Rights is separate from the other amendments. The Bill of Rights is a declaration of restrictions to the powers of our Constitution. The Bill of Rights restricts the Constitution. The Constitution restricts the powers of government. The deception is that the government can interpret the all of the amendments and the Constitution itself. Without the presence of the Preamble to the Bill of Rights this may be a valid argument.

End the deception.