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I'm not sure what to make of this. This is the first I'm hearing about it.
1 posted on 10/26/2004 5:05:22 AM PDT by ruralgal
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Mr. Bush announced in February that he supported an amendment to the Constitution that would ban same-sex marriage, and said at the time that the union of a man and a woman was "the most fundamental institution of civilization." He acted under enormous pressure from his conservative supporters, who had lobbied the White House to have the president speak out in an election year on a matter of vital importance to them.

But Mr. Bush also said at the time that states should be permitted to have same-sex civil unions if they chose.

So, the President has been in open opposition to the Republican Party Platform since at least February and the NY Slimes decide to report this SEVEN DAYS BEFORE the election??

119 posted on 10/26/2004 6:06:44 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: ruralgal

This is pretty much my opinion. I do not oppose same sex civil unions.


120 posted on 10/26/2004 6:09:23 AM PDT by sandbar
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I'm not sure what to make of this. This is the first I'm hearing about it.

What is the confusion? Seems pretty straightforward to me and consistant, despite Elisabeth trying to make it appear there's a contradiction.

First, he says it's up to the states and Bumiller says he wouldn't have supported it as governor.

Well, that's governing Texas, isn't it. Not the whold U.S. of A.

This an effort to divide the party (I hope you don't labor under the illusion that the president endorsed the whole platform).

121 posted on 10/26/2004 6:09:41 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: ruralgal

President Bush, I disagree. But I'll still be voting for you.


130 posted on 10/26/2004 6:16:22 AM PDT by MEGoody (Flush the Johns - vote Bush/Cheney 04)
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States rights. At a minimum, though, we need a Constitutional amendment providing that the States do not have to recognize gay marriages effected in other states.


133 posted on 10/26/2004 6:16:43 AM PDT by Brilliant
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HOW TO LOSE AN ELECTION 101


141 posted on 10/26/2004 6:19:35 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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The states ARE deciding, Bumller. See Ohio, for instance.
146 posted on 10/26/2004 6:21:37 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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states ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."

Hey, polygamy.

150 posted on 10/26/2004 6:23:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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Regardless of how you feel about this issue, it was not smart for Bush to comment with one week to go in the election. The whole key to Bush's success this year is getting religious Americans who stayed home in 2000 to come out and vote this year. This is their number one issue.

Bush is ahead right now. Would it be too much to ask that everyone in the campaign just keep their traps shut for seven more days?

P.S. The Times published this for the express purpose of keeping evangelicals at home.


156 posted on 10/26/2004 6:28:34 AM PDT by True_wesT
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To: ruralgal
I know what to make of it.

Hint it's the New York Times.

161 posted on 10/26/2004 6:33:46 AM PDT by Tribune7
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How much you wanna make a bet that the NY Slimes tooks Bush's words out of context. NY Times is on an all out smear campaign to get Kerry elected. As far as I am concerned - the NY Times is no longer a major Newspaper. They have been wrong too many times and shown their hatred of Republicans and Bush too many times now.


174 posted on 10/26/2004 6:51:15 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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He's talking about TWO separate situations.

A LEGAL union would be a Binding Contract. One person agrees to provide for another person. ONLY AN ATTORNEY could sever the contract for one or the other party. Just like any other business contract one party would have to buy out the other. (Ideally there would be no 'children' involved, but some same-gender couples have the 'mothering/fathering' instinct -- which leads me personally back to "same-gender is a choice because your biological clock wants a child which child is produced from 'opposite-gender' consumation -- leaving artificial means out of the original picture -- so you aren't 'really' a same-gender person. BUT YMMV, so no flames.)

A MARRIAGE is a Covenant between two people and their G*d. It is also seen as a binding contract where one person pays -- alimony and/or child support -- when the covenant is broken. It's the COVENANT in a marriage that must be broken to disolve a marriage. Covenant= A binding and solemn agreement to do or keep from doing a specific thing. An agreement between two parties and their G*d to defend and maintain their faith in each other and the marriage.

So there IS a difference between a legal contract and a Covenant (which also includes the legal contract). Legal contracts are binding. They require an attorney to break. A Covenant includes a third entity, a greater power. To break a covenant is a very serious thing. It shouldn't be taken as lightly as it is today in American culture.

YMMV, but that's my Highly Opinionated comment.


182 posted on 10/26/2004 7:02:02 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Life is short, Mr. Kerry. Admit defeat now and avoid the embarrassment of November 2.)
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First, if Bush said it he believes it. Second, to get a CMA passed you're going to have to leave civil unions to the states.
187 posted on 10/26/2004 7:12:52 AM PDT by Fatalis (The Libertarian Party is to politics as Esperanto is to linguistics.)
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Politicians always try to have it both ways.


193 posted on 10/26/2004 7:17:16 AM PDT by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside)
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$5 says something has been taken out of context. W has stood firm on the marraige amendment, no reason he'd do a John Kerry now.

He knows he can live without the Andrew Sullivan vote.


203 posted on 10/26/2004 7:31:51 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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This is coming from the New York Times. I think that says it all.


215 posted on 10/26/2004 10:17:41 AM PDT by Sprite518
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Leaving it up to the states is a conservative position, whether you agree with it or not.


216 posted on 10/26/2004 10:23:07 AM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (¿Podemos ahora sonreír?)
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Welcome to Free Republic. Bush proposed the federal marriage protection amendment. That's good enough for me.

If John Kerry gets elected, it's going to be "all gay, all the time." No thank you.
221 posted on 10/26/2004 11:11:06 AM PDT by Antoninus (A conservative bases his politics on his morals. ... A liberal bases his morals on his politics.)
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Apparently it's just the word marriage that he values. It's the fundamental word of civiliztion. How stupid. Well, I'll still vote for him even though I think he is a fool on this subject, and an even bigger fool for only now making this statment. He will lose key votes over it.


222 posted on 10/26/2004 1:01:31 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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Read later.


230 posted on 10/26/2004 1:58:39 PM PDT by EagleMamaMT
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