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[MN] 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS video may be linked to missing explosives in Iraq
KSTP-TV 5 ^ | 10-28-4 | KSTP-TV 5

Posted on 10/28/2004 6:41:11 AM PDT by Petronski

A 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew in Iraq shortly after the fall of Saddam Hussein was in the area where tons of explosives disappeared.

The missing explosives are now an issue in the presidential debate. Democratic candidate John Kerry is accusing President Bush of not securing the site they allegedly disappeared from. President Bush says no one knows if the ammunition was taken before or after the fall of Baghdad on April 9, 2003 when coalition troops moved in to the area.

Using GPS technology and talking with members of the 101st Airborne 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS determined our crew embedded with them may have been on the southern edge of the Al Qaqaa installation, where that ammunition disappeared. Our crew was based just south of Al Qaqaa. On April 18, 2003 they drove two or three miles north into what is believed to be that area...

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5 EYEWITNESS NEWS e-mailed pictures of the material we found to experts in Washington Wednesday to see if it is the same kind of high explosives that went missing in Al Qaqaa. They could not make that determination.

The footage is now in the hands of security experts to see if it is indeed the explosives in question.

(Excerpt) Read more at kstp.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: alqaqaa; ammogate; hmx; kerrylies; rdx
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1 posted on 10/28/2004 6:41:11 AM PDT by Petronski
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2 posted on 10/28/2004 6:41:52 AM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: Squantos

Could you take a look at this story?


3 posted on 10/28/2004 6:43:34 AM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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4 posted on 10/28/2004 6:44:11 AM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: Petronski

I find this story very hard to believe as there is no way all this stuff could have been moved with all of our troops in the area.


5 posted on 10/28/2004 6:44:38 AM PDT by Piquaboy (John F-ng Kerry was a traitor to his fellow soldiers and now his country.)
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To: Petronski

Being as this is an ABC affiliate, I have trouble believing it before I even read it!


6 posted on 10/28/2004 6:48:57 AM PDT by 4everontheRight (John Kerry - Serving the UN, not the US)
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To: Piquaboy
Don't get me wrong...I don't believe it either, and I don't think the people at that tv station necessarily insist it is proof. They filmed SOMETHING, but no one has determined what it is.

On the other hand, for John Kerry, this is Exhibit A in some kind of half-assed criminal prosecution of the President. Can't you just hear lurch droning on?

Now we have proof of a growing scandal....yada yada yada...

7 posted on 10/28/2004 6:49:29 AM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: Petronski
During that trip, members of the 101st Airborne Division showed the 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew bunker after bunker of material labelled explosives. Usually it took just the snap of a bolt cutter to get in and see the material identified by the 101st as detonation cords.

No mention of UN seals. Note they are referring to Det Cord.

Also....

Officers with the 101st Airborne told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that the bunkers were within the U.S. military perimeter and protected. But Caffrey and former 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS Reporter Dean Staley, who spent three months in Iraq, said Iraqis were coming and going freely. "At one point there was a group of Iraqis driving around in a pick up truck,"Staley said. "Three or four guys we kept an eye on, worried they might come near us."

So they saw one pickup truck that supposedly moved 380 tons.

8 posted on 10/28/2004 6:51:53 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Petronski

It's powdered baby milk.


9 posted on 10/28/2004 6:52:08 AM PDT by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: Petronski

The plan is clear....for every credible report we have that the stuff was moved prior to the invasion, the dems will trot out 2 who will offer "proof" of the opposite.


10 posted on 10/28/2004 6:52:57 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Truth is not Partisan)
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To: Petronski

11 posted on 10/28/2004 6:53:08 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Petronski

Did I read this snippet right? Only now, a year and a half afterward, and only using GPS and interviews do these guys THINK they were at the QaQaa site????

How hysterical is that? They arent even sure now if that's where they were.

And how do we know where these storage drums were filmed? They could be any storage drums anywhere.

Were these guys legitimately embedded with US troops. Maybe that should be investigated first, before we fall for YET ANOTHER LEFT-WING LIE.


12 posted on 10/28/2004 6:53:57 AM PDT by UncleSamUSA (the land of the free and the home of the brave)
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To: Petronski
They filmed SOMETHING

Looks like butterscotch pudding mix.

13 posted on 10/28/2004 6:54:11 AM PDT by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: finnman69

Yep, no reporting of seeing any IAEA seals.


14 posted on 10/28/2004 6:55:28 AM PDT by ironman
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To: Petronski

The UN had supposedly sealed all of the explosives we were looking for prior to the invasion. If there are no seals then it's not the stuff.


15 posted on 10/28/2004 6:55:30 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Petronski
Are those Cast Boosters?

http://www.explomo.com/commer.htm

UEE Cast Boosters are high energy explosives, designed to initiate blasting agents. They can be initiated by detonating cord and/or no 8 detonators producing a high velocity and energy detonation. UEE Cast Boosters are cylindrical and dimensioned in accordance to their weight. These boosters are longitudinal perforated to facilitate their connection with detonating cord or detonators.

17 posted on 10/28/2004 6:56:45 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69

I do not know. I hope we have as many FR explosive experts check in here, so we can develop a theory on that.


18 posted on 10/28/2004 7:00:28 AM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: finnman69
So they saw one pickup truck that supposedly moved 380 tons.

That is one HELL of a pickup truck.

19 posted on 10/28/2004 7:01:08 AM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: Petronski
Cast Boosters


20 posted on 10/28/2004 7:01:11 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Petronski

No, I cannot hear Lurch keep droning on because when I see him on the tube or radio I switch stations. He makes me physically ill.


21 posted on 10/28/2004 7:02:18 AM PDT by Piquaboy (John F-ng Kerry was a traitor to his fellow soldiers and now his country.)
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To: RichardSuccer

Guys chill out. The MSM shows a couple of still shots and the sky is falling. Unless you have a sample of the material you don't what it is. I mean it could be peanut butter. The MSM wants to rattle us.


22 posted on 10/28/2004 7:04:08 AM PDT by JonDavid
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To: RichardSuccer

Guys chill out. The MSM shows a couple of still shots and the sky is falling. Unless you have a sample of the material you don't what it is. I mean it could be peanut butter. The MSM wants to rattle us.


23 posted on 10/28/2004 7:04:10 AM PDT by JonDavid
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To: Petronski
I found this in the pdf spec for Cast Boosters:

•Hazardous Shipping Description
•Boosters, 1.1D UN 0042


24 posted on 10/28/2004 7:04:29 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: RichardSuccer

The crates actually say "Al QAAQA" - it's on their website.

All that proves is that Al Qaaqa was the original intended destination for the stuff.

25 posted on 10/28/2004 7:05:41 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Petronski; Buckhead
I do not know. I hope we have as many FR explosive experts check in here, so we can develop a theory on that.

Hey Buckhead...got any cousins?
26 posted on 10/28/2004 7:07:43 AM PDT by marktuoni (Beware MSM here come the Freepers in Sleepers!)
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Bottom line - regardless of what the explosives in the video are - no IAEA seals, not the explosives that went missing.


27 posted on 10/28/2004 7:07:55 AM PDT by Newshues
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To: JonDavid

I don't think those crates show RDX or HBX. They show Cast Boosters which are designed to detonate high explosives.


28 posted on 10/28/2004 7:08:03 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Petronski

Why is there no Arabic on these containers? And why are they all labelled in English, at least that I can see. I heard one soldier on some show say that what he saw there was mostly written in French and German.


30 posted on 10/28/2004 7:11:39 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Petronski

In its pure synthesised state it is a white crystalline solid. As an explosive it is usually used in mixtures with other explosives and plasticizers or desensitizers. It is stable in storage and is considered the most powerful and brisant of the military high explosives.

RDX forms the base for a number of common military explosives: Composition A (wax-coated, granular explosive consisting of RDX and plasticizing wax), composition A5 (mixed with 1.5% stearic acid), composition B (castable mixtures of RDX and TNT), composition C (a plastic demolition explosive consisting of RDX, other explosives, and plasticizers), composition D, HBX (castable mixtures of RDX, TNT, powdered aluminium, and D-2 wax with calcium chloride), H-6, Cyclotol and C-4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDX

31 posted on 10/28/2004 7:11:46 AM PDT by antaresequity
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To: finnman69

Of course it’s not RDX or HBX. The Russians took that out of Iraq before the war started. Let the MSM go national with this. It proves nothing and be can debunked.


32 posted on 10/28/2004 7:13:20 AM PDT by JonDavid
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To: finnman69
Hmm, maybe I am wrong.


33 posted on 10/28/2004 7:14:11 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Petronski
oh, Now the reporters ask the Army to identify it? They didn't bother to notify the Army BEFORE? When everyone was concerned about WMD?
34 posted on 10/28/2004 7:14:44 AM PDT by cookcounty (WWW-Will John Kerry seek a 4th Purple Heart for fingers burnt in the Battle of Al-Qa Qaa?)
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To: finnman69

Is that definitive? Are you saying that label is only applied to boosters?


Hope so.


35 posted on 10/28/2004 7:16:21 AM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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Somebody is playing games here. A couple of days ago we hear about explosives being found and now all of a sudden, a tv reporter has video of the explosives. Why is all of this info coming out now just days before the election?


36 posted on 10/28/2004 7:17:09 AM PDT by JJDPower
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To: finnman69

f. RDX (Clclotrimethylenetrinitramine, Cyclonite)



The name cyclonite was given to this explosive by Clarence J. Bain because of its cyclic structure and its cyclonic nature. The Germans call it Hexogen, the Italians T4.

Today, Cyclonite is probably the most important high brisance explosive. Its brisant power is high, owning to its high density and high detonation velocity. It is relatively insensitive as compared to PETN which has similar strength.

RDX is also used as a medicine, under the name of methenamine, used for the control of urinary tract infections, also used in the manufacturer of plastics, and as an accelerator for the vulcanization of rubber.

Uses: Manufacture of boosters, detonating cord, detonators, and placed in a plastic binder.

Properties

White crystalline solid or red depending on use. If used in detonating cord it will be red to pink.

High brisance

VOD 27,394 ft/sed


37 posted on 10/28/2004 7:17:30 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Petronski

Dunno. Need an expert here. Im not an expert.


38 posted on 10/28/2004 7:17:53 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Petronski
Wonder if it was a ford and if it is available to the general public. 4 wheel drive and crew-cab?
40 posted on 10/28/2004 7:20:10 AM PDT by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: Petronski

Hazard Classification The hazard classification system is based on a system established for international use by the United Nations Organization (UNO). The UNO system consists of nine classes of dangerous material. The nine classes and the types of hazardous materials involved are shown in table 7-1 of NAVSEA OP 5, volume 1. You will deal primarily with hazard class-1 material (ammunition and explosives, Department of Transporta- tion (DOT) classes A, B, and C; blasting agents). The ammunition and explosives hazard class 1 is further subdivided into six divisions. These divisions are based on the characteristics and predominance of the associated hazards and on the potential for causing personnel casualties or property damage. The divisions and types of hazards expected are as follows: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. Division Designator 1—Mass detonating Division Designator 2—Non-mass detonating, fragment producing Division Designator 3—Mass fire Division Designator 4—Moderate fire, no blast Division Designator 5—Very insensitive Division Designator 6—Extremely insensitive STORAGE COMPATIBILITY The assignment of class-1 ammunition and explosives into six divisions does not necessarily mean that the different items in a division may be stored or transported together. Compatibility groups determine storage and transportation compatibility for rail and motor modes, while the class and division designators determine segregation requirements for carriage by vessels. Explosive articles that differ in minor respects maybe assigned to different divisions if their predominate haz- ards differ. Storage Compatibility Groups A compatibility group accompanies the hazard class to complete the hazard classification designation.


41 posted on 10/28/2004 7:21:39 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: backhoe

Interesting. Know anything about this stuff?


42 posted on 10/28/2004 7:23:33 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers. :: Kerry promises, but Bush delivers!)
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To: Petronski

http://www.ensign-bickfordcompany.com/cgi-bin/external.cgi?x=/commercial/products/pdf/pkb_us_spartan.pdf

Proper Shipping Name: Boosters, 1.1D, UN0042, PGII,
Spanish Fork (SF)EX 9708095
Wolf Lake (WL)EX 9708094


Trojan® Spartan® Cast Boosters are designed for
detonator initiation only. Their entire formulation is
#6 cap strength sensitive, making them one of the
most reliable, durable, and cost effective cast
boosters on the market. Spartan® boosters are
formulated from a homogenous mixture of PETN
and other high quality high explosive materials.


43 posted on 10/28/2004 7:23:55 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: spotbust1


DUmmies need to have a mental disorder if they believe insurgents loaded up 40 tractor trailers worth of weapons right under our noses.


Let's look at this story, They don't know where they are at, just from the GPS coordinates they are somewhere near Al-Qaqa.

US has removed/destroyed 400,000 TONS of weapons in Iraq since the start of the war.

The reporter has no idea where he is, but they "think" they are in the spot where the 380 tons were, and they have video of a bunch of barrels without any IAEA tags on any of it.

Naive DUmmies. They are scratching and kicking on the inside of a closed casket right now.. It's almost all over for these nitwits..


44 posted on 10/28/2004 7:25:30 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: twigs
" Why is there no Arabic on these containers? And why are they all labelled in English, at least that I can see. I heard one soldier on some show say that what he saw there was mostly written in French and German."

As the old FedExer here let me say that the orange "Explosives" label is mandated by IATA for all air transport items that are considered to be explosives. English is mandatory. I'm trying to remember from my hazmat classes, but I'm pretty sure that "1.1" is the least dangerous form of explosives (like "Class C" under the US CFR 49 shipping reg)s. It certainly would not appear to be "high" explosives, but I'll check to make sure about "1.1"

At FedEx, we were only able to take fairly stable explosives, usually they were under the domestic US regulations which is a different system from the international (IATA).

45 posted on 10/28/2004 7:25:45 AM PDT by cookcounty (WWW-Will John Kerry seek a 4th Purple Heart for fingers burnt in the Battle of Al-Qa Qaa?)
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To: finnman69

Great finds. Well done.


I wonder if the reporters/producers at this TV station know how to Google.


46 posted on 10/28/2004 7:26:33 AM PDT by Petronski (A Monday morning quarterback has never led any team to victory.)
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To: Bikers4Bush

The UN didn't seal all the entrances into the bunkers, however. Figgers.


47 posted on 10/28/2004 7:27:46 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Petronski; U S Army EOD
I hope we have as many FR explosive experts check in here, so we can develop a theory on that.

Hey, EOD! Do you have any insight on this you can proffer?

48 posted on 10/28/2004 7:28:24 AM PDT by Samwise (If you want to understand the differences between the two parties, study the nature of their enemies)
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To: Petronski; All

What we now need is someone with military or explosives experience to tell us what exactly these item are used for.


49 posted on 10/28/2004 7:28:35 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: JonDavid

after all he's a peanut farmer. They think we're so stupid as to fall for this. I wonder if C BS was in on this.


50 posted on 10/28/2004 7:33:15 AM PDT by alconservative (Jimmy Carter probably planted the peanut butter,)
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