You were the one who called me a fool, so don't pretend I'm the one distracting by pointing out my CV. And review the posts if you want to argue about who started attacking whom. And I notice you didn't rush to volunteer the source of your J.D. Whatever Close-Cover-Before-Striking law school you went to can't have very high admission standards if you never even heard of an American Jurisprudence Award. They're given to the person who received the highest final grade in a qualifying class. I got four of them, in classes ranging from 90 to 120 students.
I've forgotten more about college football than you'll ever know. I didn't list ten things Zook has done wrong simply because by responding to such a bullsh*t challenge I'd be granting it a patina of legitimacy (as if the burden of proof is on me to establish ten things Zook did wrong for me to be justified in wanting him out after the lackluster performances he's delivered). And I could give a hell of a lot more than a few reasons, from specific examples of lack of focus when the game was on the line, lack of discipline off the field, poorly disguised coverages, to poor patterns being run by his receivers. But it is still irrelevant. Most of what matters in coaching takes place outside the public eye. That is where players are motivated, minds are focused, philosophies are instilled. I'm not privy to what he's doing in that regard. I just know it is not working and has never shown any sign it will. Spurrier wasn't perfect, but he raised expectations, consistently had the program functioning on a high level, and was the bane of the rest of the conference. There was a reason everybody hated us so much.
This is, frankly, a stupid argument. We're trading barbs, insulting each other, over something I have an infinitesimal amount of influence over, being an alum and donor, and over which you have zero influence, and which ultimately is inconsequential outside the world of sports. The vast majority of UF alumni feel the way I do. Why you care is beyond me, but this has escalated into a vitriolic debate despite the fact no one could possibly prove the other wrong. You have your opinion, I have mine. The only objective point that gives me an edge is I have more of a dog in this fight than you do, so I care about the outcome and want what's best for the school, rather than what is "fair" in the abstract. Other than that, only time will tell if Spurrier does come back and if he does bring Florida back into the uppermost echelon.
>>You were the one who called me a fool<<
I called you a fool because you ASSUMED that 1L meant I was in law school THIS YEAR. You know what 1L means, but you should know that MySQL (or whatever database backbone they are running on here) doesn't know to update that to 2L or graduate like the registrar (hopefully) does, even if screen names were variable. At the very least, you should have asked instead of assuming. I sure hope you give your clients better service. You have to be honest and admit that was a foolish move on your part.
>>so don't pretend I'm the one distracting by pointing out my CV.<<
That's exactly what you are doing and you still are. What does you supposed accomplishments in law school have to do with football? How would they disprove you made a foolish statement?
>>And review the posts if you want to argue about who started attacking whom.<<
You said, "you'd better refine your analytical approach if you want a snowball's chance in hell of making law review." I find it fascinating that the one on here with by far the biggest problem analytically -- you -- is attempting to lecture me on this.
>>And I notice you didn't rush to volunteer the source of your J.D.<<
I don't volunteer the source of much of anything online. For the record, my law school is (or has been) ranked higher than Vandy in US News, and my undergraduate school is also ranked higher than Florida in most areas. However, I think both UF and Vandy are terrific schools and I would have had no problem going to either. But I'm not going to get into a tit for tat debate on totally irrelevent things where either or both of us could be lying.
>>if you never even heard of an American Jurisprudence Award. <<
Oh, come on. First of all, I never said I hadn't heard of it. I was making a reference due to it being irrelevent and self promoting. Second, what the hell does this have to do with our discussion?
>>They're given to the person who received the highest final grade in a qualifying class. I got four of them, in classes ranging from 90 to 120 students.<<
Congratulations. Now, what does this have to do with anything?
>>I've forgotten more about college football than you'll ever know.<<
OK, whatever. Another totally ignorant statement made by someone who claims he's got a high IQ.
>>I didn't list ten things Zook has done wrong simply because by responding to such a bullsh*t challenge I'd be granting it a patina of legitimacy (as if the burden of proof is on me to establish ten things Zook did wrong for me to be justified in wanting him out after the lackluster performances he's delivered).<<
Actually, I think the burden is on you, but even if it wasn't, my point in all that was to try and get you above the knee jerk, typical fan reaction of "he didn't win X number of games, he's gone" into an analytical process of why you disrupt your athletic program and what do you gain/lose potentially by making a change.
So, you didn't respond. Not by ignoring a post, but by trying to change the subject into your resume. As if you could actually prove any of this crap you posted; or make any of us care what your IQ is or what grade you made in whatever class you attended.
>>And I could give a hell of a lot more than a few reasons, from specific examples of lack of focus when the game was on the line, lack of discipline off the field, poorly disguised coverages, to poor patterns being run by his receivers.<<
Then why don't you? Lack of discipline? Give me some examples. You can't seriously be suggesting that Steve Spurrier runs a tight ship, discipline wise. Spurrier has done a lot of great things in coaching, but this isn't his strong suit.
As far as coverages, you can't be serious. This statement is laughable, since Zook was the DC for at least 3 years prior to Spurrier leaving, 3 years where Florida won 29 games. Even the most passive college football fan knows Spurrier has absolutely zip to do with the Defense. Zook's defenses were performing at the level you would want then.
>>That is where players are motivated, minds are focused, philosophies are instilled. I'm not privy to what he's doing in that regard. I just know it is not working and has never shown any sign it will.<<
Well, at least we are on productive discussion. But your key statement here is "I'm not privy" and speaks volumes. Motivation isn't the answer to everything. Not counting this year, Zook has lost only 2 games to teams with fewer than 10 wins for the year, and those two teams had 8 and 9 wins. I'll give you MSU this year, but Zook has lost to teams he should have lost to, and by and large beaten teams he should have beaten. Zook has played somewhat stronger schedules the last 2 years than Spurrier did in his last few years. In the mid-90s, the SEC East was basically a two team division with Florida and Tennessee. Georgia struggled for a while and just got back to the top and SC become competitive. That doesn't even mention the West being mediocre overall with one or maybe just two good teams for a big period of the 1990s.
>>There was a reason everybody hated us so much. <<
I wouldn't flatter yourself if you like to be hated. Florida is, at best, third in its own state in that category. Although I pretty much like all Florida teams.
>>We're trading barbs, insulting each other<<
I'm not insulting you. You seem to want to think that an unsubstantiated record is relevent. It isn't.
>>The vast majority of UF alumni feel the way I do.<<
I agree with you, but that's part of the problem.
>>Why you care is beyond me<<
It isn't a matter of caring. I've made my interest known. I'm sick and tired of knee jerk "fire the coach" reactions to seasons that don't go well from fans that, for the most part, have no clue what it takes to be successful.
>>Other than that, only time will tell if Spurrier does come back and if he does bring Florida back into the uppermost echelon.<<
I agree with you there. For the record, I think he will come back and the other remains to be seen. I just don't think it was worth destroying Ron Zook over, even if he is a jerk (and his recent actions with that frat house thing and handing out suspensions on certain games was troubling).