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Hating Bush
Der Spiegel ^ | October 27, 2004 | Charles G. Hawley

Posted on 10/30/2004 2:31:17 AM PDT by The Loan Arranger

Europeans may have trouble carving out a common foreign policy, but most agree on one thing: Bush must go. With US elections rapidly approaching, countless Europeans are fervently seeking to sway American voters. But can their efforts really make a difference?

Even in Europe, there is no escaping it. The United States presidential campaign is everywhere. Every tiny change in the polls wins a spot on the evening news and not a day goes by without coverage of the campaign. Academics regularly bash heads over the latest campaign intrigue and a flood of titles critical of Bush and the Iraq war dominate display tables in German bookstores. They are selling briskly.

One trend is clear: Europeans hate President George W. Bush. Moreover, they are appalled that a man many here see as responsible for much of the evil in the world has a good chance of being re-elected to the world's most powerful post next week. Most of all, however, Europeans are frustrated that, no matter how loudly they may groan, they can have no real influence on the outcome on Nov. 2.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; abughraib; allyourvotes; arebelongtous; bush; clarkcounty; kerry; kyoto; oldeurope; rummy; theguardian; unilateral; vote44
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There will be much weeping, gnashing of teeth, hair-pulling and wailing on November 3rd in old Europe. Maybe we should send a shipment of sackcloth and ashes. Their poodle--Jean Francois Heinz-Kerry, won't be wagging his well-coiffed tail in the White House!
1 posted on 10/30/2004 2:31:17 AM PDT by The Loan Arranger
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To: The Loan Arranger

I hate Europeans


2 posted on 10/30/2004 2:34:29 AM PDT by marbren
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To: The Loan Arranger

I wont be surprised to see riots in euroscumland...possible they may attack our embassies...ahhhhhhhhh a snipers dream!


3 posted on 10/30/2004 2:35:17 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: The Loan Arranger

At least the Germans ( and Russians) have the honor of being former enemies, unlike the backstabbing French.


4 posted on 10/30/2004 2:38:19 AM PDT by Nateman (The enemies of reason are allies of evil.)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Our communications technology has allowed the spread of dementia, chaos, paranoia, and virulent hatred fueled by the lust to power of arrogant, self-worshipping men to permeate and cover the globe.
This is a historic first.


Self annointed 'elites' are causing the 'masses' to be indoctinated with the propaganda of insanity........"fantasy is fact and reality is an illusion."
In this upside-down world, truth cannot exist and there can be no rational discourse or debate.



5 posted on 10/30/2004 2:42:05 AM PDT by Lindykim
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To: The Loan Arranger
They do what farmers in Ohio want and say 'go to hell' to the outside world

Yep, that about sums it up...and if Europeans have a problem with that...sobeit!

6 posted on 10/30/2004 2:42:57 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: The Loan Arranger
The country does not exhibit global responsibility. They are parochial. They do what farmers in Ohio want and say 'go to hell' to the outside world."

Megadittos. LOL.

7 posted on 10/30/2004 2:43:12 AM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: Nateman

Sometimes, your enemy can be more trusted than you best friend, at least you know were you enemy stands.


8 posted on 10/30/2004 2:43:53 AM PDT by Prophet in the Wilderess
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To: The Loan Arranger
Most of all, however, Europeans are frustrated that, no matter how loudly they may groan, they can have no real influence on the outcome on Nov. 2.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

9 posted on 10/30/2004 2:44:15 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: The Loan Arranger

Oops, I thought this was a thread about Free Republic's "Real True Only Principled Conservative Patriots".


10 posted on 10/30/2004 2:44:19 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: dawn53

Beat me by 15 seconds. Congrats.


11 posted on 10/30/2004 2:44:47 AM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: The Loan Arranger
Europeans hate President George W. Bush.
Correction – Europeans respect President Bush

”...International Policy Attitudes, challenger John Kerry was the clear first choice in almost every European country.
Correction: Men like John Kerry, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and others have spent years apologizing for America for what ever reason – Europeans love to lord it over the up-start, too successful – too rich – not intellectual enough – rough on the edge United States. BUT they love our money.

Frankly, I don’t give a flying fig what the Europeans think about my country and President Bush; that Cowboy suits us just fine!

12 posted on 10/30/2004 2:49:04 AM PDT by yoe (Kerry is just the re-invention of Jimmy Carter)
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To: The Loan Arranger

I am reminded that in the early 1930's, women in London found it fashionable to wear swastika bracelet charms.

I am reminded that Chamberlain danced the Munich Waltz and threw the Czechs to the wolves.

I am reminded that everything honorable in France died in the trenches of WW1.

Old Europe can go pound sand. But PLEASE continue to publicly endorse Kerry.


13 posted on 10/30/2004 2:50:12 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: dawn53

Go to hell, Old Europe.


14 posted on 10/30/2004 2:50:36 AM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: The Loan Arranger

EU, PU.
The Euro-trash socialists can kiss my red, white and blue butt.
No tongue, please.


15 posted on 10/30/2004 2:56:01 AM PDT by Outland (Socialism: Yet another disease in need of a cure.)
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To: Neanderthal

Sorry about that...hey, read that Teresa had mentioned you by name the other day.

She said that Neanderthal(s) were the only ones that didn't agree with her husband!


16 posted on 10/30/2004 2:59:11 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: The Loan Arranger

And why do these socialist slackers with zero values or historical perspective even care? So we can become like them? There is a reason why we are wealthiest and most powerful nation...capitalism. It drives us to work hard, to develop new technologies and innovations, and to better control our own destiny. We believe in religion...tolerance...values...not because we are self righteous fanatics, but because it is the strength of any society. If one value is devalued, what's to keep the next one from suffering the same fate? Just because their past is stained by the blood of tyrants and greed, doesnt make religion a venemous institution. Bad people do bad things, but don't blame faith itself. If they want to live in a world where they believe their government owes them, that a secular society is a progressive society, and hard work cuts into drinking guiness three times a day at the local pub, then learn to accept the hangover that comes with complacency and consternation. In the meantime, don't piss down our back and tell us it's raining. We have a life to live and we prefer to live it with the sun on our face!


17 posted on 10/30/2004 2:59:16 AM PDT by xuberalles
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To: dawn53

I hope I'm not the only one.


18 posted on 10/30/2004 3:06:23 AM PDT by Neanderthal
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To: Nateman
Nothing is more pathetic than a Continent of infantile socialist serfs that bemoan their masters indifference. For the last 100 years the Eurochildren have been economically, financially, militarily, culturally and politically uber dependents of the USA.( Except those times they were killing themselves.)
19 posted on 10/30/2004 3:12:46 AM PDT by Leisler (Kerry, release your Department of Defense SF 180)
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To: Lindykim

You need to factor in how the educational system has been perverted.


20 posted on 10/30/2004 3:14:36 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: The Loan Arranger
I just finished watching a BBC propaganda piece featuring Claire Short, Madaline Albright, George Soros, James Woolsey and the like. The left was cheered, Woolsy was booed. The libs predicted a world war if Bush is reelected and Allbright and Soros agreed. Richard Holebrook, who will have a prominent role in any Kerry administration, was in lock step with Claire Short, et. al..

For any future of the United States, Bush must win!!

21 posted on 10/30/2004 3:17:31 AM PDT by JimSEA ( "More Bush, Less Taxes.")
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To: The Loan Arranger

Well let me second that.

Go to hell Europeans.


22 posted on 10/30/2004 3:19:05 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: CasearianDaoist

These people don't even understand that they have been brainwashed by their liberal schools all the way up to their liberal media. You'll never understand America, until you break out of that subjective, socialist egg. How ironic is it that we are the oppressors of free speech, but country after country now refuses to air Fox News. The truth must be too disturbing.


23 posted on 10/30/2004 3:19:25 AM PDT by xuberalles
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To: JimSEA

The morons can't figure out we are already in a world war.


24 posted on 10/30/2004 3:20:54 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: JimSEA

They have no balls to deal with tyranny, so we deal with it. They had the motivation to protest the iraqi war as unjuste, but where were these people when iraqis were dying by the thousands and their human rights were violated for the years leading up to it? Afterall, liberals are all about helping others, right? I guess that's not worth the same scrutiny and resolve as organizing a protest against people who try to help others. After all Europe has been through, you'd think they learn. Instead, they'd let history repeat itself before they would lift a finger in the direction of common sense.


25 posted on 10/30/2004 3:26:12 AM PDT by xuberalles
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To: The Loan Arranger

"a man many here see as responsible for much of the evil in the world"

Surely the Euroweenies are talking about themselves as well as Bin Laden.


26 posted on 10/30/2004 3:28:27 AM PDT by tkathy (There will be no world peace until all thuggocracies are gone from the earth.)
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To: Nateman

The Germans have a total fertility rate of 1.38 children/woman, the French fertility rate rate is 1.85 children/woman. The French and the Germans will all go away if we only wait a few more years.


27 posted on 10/30/2004 3:33:06 AM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: The Loan Arranger

bump


28 posted on 10/30/2004 3:47:25 AM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: Sooth2222
Who knew weasel breeding was so difficult?
30 posted on 10/30/2004 3:53:16 AM PDT by Leisler (Kerry, release your Department of Defense SF 180)
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To: Sooth2222
The Germans have a total fertility rate of 1.38 children/woman, the French fertility rate rate is 1.85 children/woman. The French and the Germans will all go away if we only wait a few more years.

To make up for this, the French and Germans are allowing Muslims to emigrate to their country.

Within a decade they will have Sharia law, and minarets springing up all over the place.
31 posted on 10/30/2004 3:59:20 AM PDT by saluki_in_ohio (Lumber for victory!)
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To: Fenris6

In the last 200 hundred years, all the smart Yurps left the rampant socialism to make their lives here. The stupid Yurps remaining there have created a dark, brainless, spineless hole in the continent.


32 posted on 10/30/2004 4:02:40 AM PDT by HighWheeler (Death is better than taxes because death doesn't get worse every year.)
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To: saluki_in_ohio

And control of nukes!


33 posted on 10/30/2004 4:04:08 AM PDT by Grateful One
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To: The Loan Arranger

More whiny political commentary from a bunch of countries that can't punch their weight.


34 posted on 10/30/2004 4:05:01 AM PDT by opocno (France, the other dead meat)
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To: The Loan Arranger
"In the 1990s, we enjoyed having a relaxed and natural relationship of equals with the United States," says Mielke.

Equals? They want an equally big spoon to staff their faces with the big lads... but how about equal share of responsibilities and chores?

That is what they disdain in this administration so much: it has shown them who they really are.

Yeah, I know, it hurts. Tough luck.

35 posted on 10/30/2004 4:08:36 AM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: The Loan Arranger
Even in Europe, there is no escaping it. The United States presidential campaign is everywhere. Every tiny change in the polls wins a spot on the evening news and not a day goes by without coverage of the campaign.

There is something wrong with this. Perhaps if they quit getting caught up in the minutia of our politics and concentrated on theirs they would be better off and happier.

Physiologically this can not be healthy.

36 posted on 10/30/2004 4:10:19 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Santa, I am sorry about Donner but one deer looks pretty much like another in the forest......)
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...Europeans are frustrated that, no matter how loudly they may groan, they can have no real influence on the outcome...

The utter arrogance of these folks amazes me.

37 posted on 10/30/2004 4:15:03 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: The Loan Arranger
They feel threatened by a country that makes unilateral decisions, by arrogance of power with a lack of cultural finesse. Europeans are afraid of the radical and frightening toxic Texan.

They can try even harder to pass their haughty attitude to all Americans for anti-Bush feelings, the truth is well known or felt by the people. The louder European crowd shrieks "Vote Kerry!", the better GWB's chances are...

38 posted on 10/30/2004 4:19:24 AM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I've been over there several times. The first 15 minutes of their news is American news. It's so sad. We supposedly are ignorant warmongers, but the daily events in their own country don't even deserve equal billing. The once mighty Euros are now reduced to sniveling, drunken, jealous socialists.


39 posted on 10/30/2004 4:21:28 AM PDT by xuberalles
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To: Neophyte

Yep..just like here at home. The more hollywood and the elitist establishment bashes Bush, the more everyday Americans stand beside him. They just don't get it. If you're looking to make a woman yours, everyone knows the best way is to act semi-disinterested. Once again hollywood and the music industry will stand on the side of anger and confusion. How ironic too considering they have basked in the limelight of American freedom and opportunity. Some of the most patriotic and sensible people in this country are those with the least.


40 posted on 10/30/2004 4:26:17 AM PDT by xuberalles
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To: The Loan Arranger
The leftist elite in Europe understand that Bush represents Capitalism and Free Markets. The trend in the past 15 years in Europe, maybe longer, is to surpress the Free Market and subvert Capitalism to the State in much the same way the former East Bloc Soviet economies managed to do so.... Europe is spoon fed a daily dose of superior economic hype, superior society, superior statesmanship, etc. with no counter balance in the media. Should Bush be reelected, Elitists will have to face an American Government invigorated by a desire to ensure the Free Markets are fair, that the Political Process at the UN is exposed for its cronism and corruption, and most essential is to OPEN the EU Markets with their barriers to Free Trade to American Products. The EU has insulated herself into an economic bubble, complete with a diplomacy centered on countering America at the expense of free markets and to America's deteriment at the UN and in global forums.

American's love Bush because he is centered on first the Family, a love of his God which is not forced onto the Left, and then his America First approach to all aspects of diplomacy, trade and relations in the world. Bush does not appologise for the ills of the world as if they were of America's making, but rather has a simple "lets fix it" attitude and he wants to know why European's don't put up and then won't shut up when bringing nothing but mouth to the table. Four more years of Bush effectively turns back all the anti-American trade legistation and laws run amuck from the EU and UN.

41 posted on 10/30/2004 4:27:30 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: xuberalles
Yep, it is pretty sad and like I said it is not healthy.

It is like obsessing over the neighbors, you can change nothing and it only make you more critical, enforces a feeling of powerlessness and rage and keeps you from focusing on your own home. Soon you are so focused on "the other" you never notice that your own home is collapsing around your head.

I never thought I would say this but Europe needs to become a little more introspective. Not in how they look to the world but how they look to themselves.

42 posted on 10/30/2004 4:28:41 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Santa, I am sorry about Donner but one deer looks pretty much like another in the forest......)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I have always found that European obsession with American politics to be rather weird. They are truly a strange people. Most Americans don't know or even care who leads most European countries. I love the suggestion that Europeans loved Americans and had a good relationship with America in the 90's. That isn't true. Their dislike for us has been going on for a long time. Our dislike for them is something that is just formulating. I think our European "Friends" will find that we can give as good as we get.
43 posted on 10/30/2004 4:30:16 AM PDT by asp1
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To: Jumper

For me its Bush or civil war!


44 posted on 10/30/2004 4:33:59 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: wildcatf4f3

of course I'd never break any laws.


45 posted on 10/30/2004 4:35:39 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: rrrod
I wont be surprised to see riots in euroscumland...possible they may attack our embassies...ahhhhhhhhh a snipers dream!

Indeed - a target rich environment to be sure...

46 posted on 10/30/2004 4:35:56 AM PDT by GunnyB (Once a Marine, Always a Marine)
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To: The Loan Arranger

When I was in the military 56-58 stationed in Germany and the Germans hated Eisenhower. Mox Nicht


47 posted on 10/30/2004 4:38:24 AM PDT by carlyaxt (carlyaxt)
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To: GunnyB

lol..we need to do an election day "punked" show after Bush wins. Showing a mushroom cloud over North Korea or Iran the minute Bush is announced the winner. See the Euros pissing their pacifist pants.


48 posted on 10/30/2004 4:47:52 AM PDT by xuberalles
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To: asp1
Our dislike for them is something that is just formulating.

To know them is not to love them.

In a allied country my first question would be, will this leader back us in a fight? The second would be, will this leader promote an atmosphere where we can trade freely? But that is really really secondary. Other then that why should I care?

In an enemy my concern is, "will this leader be more likely or less likely to attack us?" Once again a very secondary consideration would be their views on trade.

Aside from that and as long as the country remains reasonably orderly and civilized why should I care about how they are arranging things.

Once you move beyond having those be your primary consideration you're interest begins to become unhealthy.

49 posted on 10/30/2004 4:49:48 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dear Santa, I am sorry about Donner but one deer looks pretty much like another in the forest......)
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To: dawn53

as if the farmers of France and Germany are not a large voting block! 50% of the German population is 10 years from their communist roots - of course 80% hate America. The old commies, the old Red Guard and the hate America because they killed our grandfathers generation. Give us some credit. You can have your bases back - we'll go where we can free another country, turn around it's economy then lsiten to their cry baby screams. /pre-election male pattern PMS rant off.


50 posted on 10/30/2004 5:21:06 AM PDT by q_an_a
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