Then how can he oppose any law derived from the 10 commandments?
Posted on 10/31/2004 5:53:56 AM PST by Diago
Subj: Kerry Scolds Vatican Over Gay Marriage
Date: 10/31/2004 8:37:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: "Fr. Peter West"
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Kerry Scolds Vatican Over Gay Marriage
Associated Press
BOSTON - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry scolded the Vatican Friday for saying Catholic politicians like himself have a "moral duty" to oppose laws granting legal rights to gay couples.
"I believe in the church and I care about it enormously," said the Massachusetts senator. "But I think that it's important to not have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America."
The Vatican had urged Catholics and non-Catholics Thursday to unite in campaigning against gay marriages and gay adoptions. The 12-page document, issued by the church, presents a battle plan for politicians confronted with legislation legalizing same-sex unions and rails against gay adoption.
The document calls on Catholic politicians to vote against laws granting legal recognition to homosexual unions and to work to repeal those already on the books.
"To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral," it said, although it didn't specify penalties for Catholics who do.
Kerry opposes gay marriage, saying it is a right reserved in America for men and women, but he has said gay couples should have the same legal rights as husbands and wives.
When it returns from its August recess, the Senate will begin hearings to determine whether new laws are necessary to strengthen the federal definition of marriage as a man and a woman, a Republican senator said Friday.
In 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allowed states to ignore same-sex unions licensed elsewhere.
President Bush said at a White House news conference Wednesday that he believes "a marriage is between a man and a woman, and I think we ought to codify that one way or the other."
Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said the next day that the White House was studying possible responses if pending lawsuits in Massachusetts and New Jersey result in legalization of gay marriage.
Some Republicans in Congress also are pushing for a constitutional amendment that would ban gay marriages.
On a positive note, the Bush camp has been sending out some superb direct mail pieces on the cultural issues. If people are reading their direct mail, Bush may be able to eke out Ohio. If they are throwing it in the trash while being mezmerized by not stop "Bush exported jobs" TV ads, Bush will lose Northeastern Ohio by over 200,000 votes, and Kerry will eke out Ohio.
This arrogant moron scolds the Vatican? If Christ himself appeared to Kerry, Kerry would be taking him to task...
The Church has every right to speak out on any moral issue she chooses. Kerry is simply incoherent with his position that he can allow his faith to affect his position in some areas but not others (like the protection of human life). If he truly believed what the Church teaches, he would act on those in his public life, and if that doesn't get him elected, then so be it. Better not to compromise one's soul for the sake of public office.
I will sum it up in layman's terms about kerry. Kerry is a mofo liar, who is probably a closet fag himself. This lifestyle seems to be en vouge for the democratic party and their candidates. Words of truth to skeeery and fellow kommies, "President Bush will bury them on Nov 2, 2004." It's a great day to be alive and a American. Bush/Cheney 2004
It's important not to have the Church instructing politicians? What the he!! else does the Church do but instruct? And to whom is it important? JFnK so he can be the Altar Boy who supports partial birth abortion.
"But I think that it's important to not have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America."
then why was he stumping in all those churches? flip, flop
Kerry is the Churchurian candidate.
As he would scold any institution or person who has principles and sticks to them.
Kerry's campaign must have been ruffled because GW picks a stand (the right one) on an issue and sticks to it. Kerry is just getting it hillariously backwards, picking a wrong stand and sticking to it.
HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE. IF YOU BELEIVE OTHERWISE, THEN SLEEPING WITH LITTLE CHILDREN IS NOT A CHOICE EITHER.
KERRY NEEDS TO GET OVER HIS POLITICALLY CORRECT BRAINWASHING.
TO ACCEPT KERRY'S VIEW THEN GOD AND NATURE MADE A MISTAKE. NATURE REQUIRES REPRODUCTION FOR SURVIVAL.
ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE IN NATURE.
SO GAYS WOULD DIE OUT FOR FAILURE TO REPRODUCE.
I WILL ACCEPT KERRY'S AND LIBERAL'S PREMISE IT IS IN GENETIC WHEN:
THEY LET US TEACH IN SCHOOL THAT HOMSEXUALITY IS A FREAK OF NATURE.
Kerry proves his aversion to religion and shows his lack of intelligence!
You don't believe in the church!
You believe in the teachings of Christ or you don't!
Kerry = the Grand Inquisitor?
Look out... John Kerry is preparing to run for Pope!
Since when?
American churches have been on the front lines of politics since this nation was founded, and despite the IRS they still are.
Kerry, like all liberals, doesn't like facts to get in his way.
not a smart thing to do the Sunday before election day, to be scolding the Vatican with millions of Catholic votes watching and at stake!
Kerry is the type of Catholic that Pope John Paul II warned about and scolded in the 80's that believes in a Left-wing/Liberation Theology.
That's hilarious. As if John Kerry has a clue about what is appropriate. Why is it not appropriate for any group to speak out on moral issues? John Kerry takes advice from Communists and Socialists from all around the world, and even when there is an overt attempt by them to sway the election, Kerry says nothing. Kerry is a hypocrite, he's an actor, he's a fraud. Kerry is not religious. If he was he would not be able to justify the murder of a baby that is already 80% delivered. He would be honest and admit that that procedure called "partial birth abortion" has nothing to do with saving the life of a mother. It just happens to be the cleanest way to kill the baby without worry of leaving parts behind. John Kerry is a fraud. I invite John Kerry to come off of the stage, take off the mask, and show the real self.
Bingo! Kerry is bi-polar.
Sounds like a Clancy novel..."The cardinal of the White House!"
Kerry's comments are loaded with meaning for the future of America. His ill-conceived remarks are an unspoken message to believers that Kerry will strengthen secularists power over believers.
Let's not forget Kerry praised foul-mouthed Whoppi Goldberg and went to Hollywood for votes and donations. It's clear Kerry, Hollyweirdos and Dumbocrats are in league against believers, and stand for everything Christians abhor: They worship abortion, the homosexual agenda, and the stripping away of every Christian symbol in America.
Kerry is pandering to Hollyeird secularists. In return, Kerry assures religious-hating Hollywood that a Kerry presidency will strengthen Hollywood's chokehold on American culture.
Candidates igonore Christians concerns at their peril. Kerry's comments and his positions on social issues must reach every Christian pastor, church, and group in America. These are the things Christian voters should talk about:
(1) Kerry's comments have effectively disqualified him from holding the highest office in Christian America.
(2) Transparently anti-religious candidates do not deserve Christian votes.
(3) Candidates carrying Bibles and going to church (the Clintons) but who vote against everything Christians believe in will not fool Christians.
(4) Protecting the unborn, the sacredness of marriage, and restoring Christian symbols in American culture are very important matters believers want addressed.
Kerry kneels in obeisance to the small cadre of Hollywarped Christian haters who despise everything Christians stand for.
The future of America depends on putting into office the candidate who supports a Christian-based culture.
Kerrry is a PHONY Catholic, just as he is a PHONY patriot.
"Wake Up America" is right.
And then you know what would happen...
Did Kerry preface his remarks to the Vatican with "Do you know who I am?"
Isn't kerry crossing the line in the wrong direction? I'm thinking of what President Reagan said: "I can endorse you, but you can't endorse me," to Christian Conservatives in Dallas in 1980. Kerry can claim to be a Catholic or not, but he can't ask the Church to be silent in its convictions. The best he can do in this situation is remain silent.
Just as any person or group: blacks, Latinos, women, among many others, any church has the right to speak out. Why would being religious preclude the right to free speech? Do you see Kerry saying that blacks cannot speak out on campaign issues? Or women? Latinos? Union members?
The hypocrisy here is astounding! But that is what I have come to expect from Democrats.
Like everything else about his character, Kerry's religion is a cloak he wears only when it meets his purpose
John Edwards believes Kerry is Christ. Maybe Kerry believes it too.
Who's interesting in all this is none other than Raymond Flynn, former ambassador to the Vatican, former Mayor of Boston. A Massachussets Democrat and very pro-life, he was able to pull off the juggling act.
] Appearing on Fox News Channel's "Special Report with Brit Hume" today, Raymond A. Flynn, President Your Catholic Voice, said it was disrespectful for Democratic pro-abortion politicians to criticize Catholic Church leaders who have the courage to speak out on important moral issues in the political arena. - http://www.yourcatholicvoice.org/index.php?id=press&press=48
But I do endorse Democrat politicians instructing inside of Black Churches!
Before I read the other posts, I'm surprised that sKerry didn't say "I respect the Pope's opinion, but . . . "
That's his usual statement when he disagrees with someone.
If he thought he could personally benefit from it, he would...
Then how can he oppose any law derived from the 10 commandments?
Kerry believes not only in the false ACLU message of separation of church and state
Kerry takes it one step further....a belief in the separation of church and GOD
Dr. Charles Stanley has been preaching a series entitled "America at the Crossroads", which addresses the implications of politicians trying to govern as if God were not a part of the equation. I've seen a few TV preachers on today, and they are all talking about how important it is to vote for the right person to govern our country for the next few years. A few have come out and have actually mentioned President Bush by name.
I have a few Catholic relatives who are actually supporting Kerry. I cannot convince them to vote otherwise. But if any of you have "religious" people who are willing to hear what most would believe to be God's perspective, Dr. Stanley's sermons can be seen here:
http://www.intouch.org/myintouch/broadcasts/archive_tv_36079899.html
Go shoot a goose...dufus!.....
Right on the money. If a pedophile is born such, then his lifestyle should be respected and support groups should be established to bolster the pedophile's self esteem and interest groups formed to politicize their "way of life."And pedophilia should be de-criminalized.
And so it is with homosexuals. A 16 year old girl experiences feelings for another teen-age girl (SSA: Same Sex Attraction). As soon as one of her [invariably] gay teachers finds out, the child is bombarded with pro-gay literature, gay-gene arguments, references to websites which will reinforce her probably temorary tendencies.
God forbid that they should demonstrate to the kids with SSA that simply having those feelings doesn't mean that you're a fixed homosexual. But they generalize from this singular experience and label the kid gay. So the kid thinks that she's/he's gay. And from there it picks up momentum.
One authority in the field says that over 2/3 of girls who have SSA experiences between the ages of 16-23 drop out and become hetero. Another says that lesbianism today, among teenagers, has become as fashionable as body piercing and tatooing.
Just got back from Mass, where they were handing out Catholic voting guides.
I guess its OK when this equinesque socialist gigolo douchebag holds a campaign rally in a black church and is compared to Moses, but the Vatican and American Bishops should shut up.
Despicable monster.
You said: I invite John Kerry to come off of the stage, take off the mask, and show the real self.
Do you REALLY want to see all that Botulism Toxin dripping from his face if he actually did take off his mask???
His REAL self is a plastic-girly-man that would scare small children and cause a projectile regurgitation from adults.
Kerry has a choice. He can be a Catholic or a Politician but evidently his Catholic beliefs and political beliefs don't jive so he can and should give up one or the other.
ping!!!
BOSTON - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry scolded the Vatican Friday for saying Catholic politicians like himself have a "moral duty" to oppose laws granting legal rights to gay couples.
"I believe in the church and I care about it enormously," said the Massachusetts senator. "But I think that it's important to not have the church instructing politicians. That is an inappropriate crossing of the line in America."
I was thinking the same thing.
Kerry's arrogance might just be his undoing.
The Church is not amused Senator. How dare you elitist, arrogant, posturing POS tell the Vatican what they should or should not support. The Church does not bend to the whims of what is popular, they keep the Word of God.
I posted this morning on another thread... seems pertinent here as well...
There have always been people with low moral standards, we are all sinners, but the 60s seemed to be the era when it became acceptable to make ones morality a public issue. Shame took on little meaning (no shame for anything... that's who I am!).
For a very long time I have thought there is special significance to the Biblical references to Sodom and Gommorah. That seemed to be the time when homosexuality was flaunted. No one made a big deal of...
"the men of Sodom, both old and young, ...from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot... 'where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out TO US that we may knem them carnally'" [Gen 19:4].
Things have not reached quite that far, yet, but that type of environment seemed to be the limit to which God would allow men (people) to go. Then came judgment.
It is also interesting to note from that passage that Lot, a just man, seemed to be much like the 'silent majority' we see today. He knew it was wrong, and protested in a way I would not, but was content to live in the city despite his knowledge of evil.
Kerry is anti the America of our founders....it is our heritage that our religious leaders not only instruct our leaders but that they turn not only to them in times of decision but seek the will of almighty God in humility...and ask our religious leaders to not only pray for them but to pray with them...
We have a national day of prayer...and prayer breakfasts....and chaplains in Washington DC and in the military....
In the history of our nation no president has ever been raised to that position other than it was ordained by almighty God
If Kerry were one tenth the 'religious man' he claims to be...he would know this...every 8th grader who has attended Catechism class knows this...
Our own national heritage Kerry denies...and hates....
He is the Marxist his earthy father taught him to be and he is the liar his spiritual father taught him to be
imo
I am Catholic and have voted Republican for 30 years,
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