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175,000 New Jobs in October, Most in Five Months (The Media is Stuffing This Today)
Bloomberg -- Can't Excerpt b/c Copyright, But Link Below | October 31, 2004

Posted on 10/31/2004, 8:39:05 PM by TFine80

BLOOMBERG JOBS STORY


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bushrecovery; economy; jobcreation; jobs

1 posted on 10/31/2004, 8:39:07 PM by TFine80
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To: TFine80

Definitely on the first page on NYT and WaPo tomorrow!

/parallel universe


2 posted on 10/31/2004, 8:42:28 PM by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: TFine80

That's the median forecast, not the actual number.


3 posted on 10/31/2004, 8:54:16 PM by Stratman
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To: Stratman

And the numbers will be adjusted upwards most likely.

Welcome to FR


4 posted on 10/31/2004, 9:02:09 PM by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ScaniaBoy
Definitely on the first page on NYT and WaPo tomorrow!

So what did the Washington Times and Fox News report?

5 posted on 10/31/2004, 9:07:07 PM by Doe Eyes
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To: TFine80
A Commerce Department report tomorrow is forecast to show Americans spent more than they earned last month.

And the debt bubble continues to be inflated.

6 posted on 10/31/2004, 9:22:12 PM by Willie Green (Hawkins/Tonnelson in 2004!!!)
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To: TFine80

Let me guess -- it fell "sharply" short of the 225,000 that experts predicted -- or whatever number they'll make up this time?


7 posted on 10/31/2004, 10:22:56 PM by Naspino (Not creative enough to have a tagline.)
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To: TFine80

"But they are not the right kind of jobs."


8 posted on 10/31/2004, 10:24:29 PM by SaveTheChief ("It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech." - Senator Zell Miller)
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To: dvwjr; RWR8189; ambrose; LS; counterpunch; skaterboy; Iowa Granny; Illinois Rep; kesg; The Shrew; ..

Please spread the word about this report!


9 posted on 11/1/2004, 12:03:51 AM by Cableguy (Bush wins 53/47)
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To: Cableguy

Drudge just put it up! I hope it was my email that convinced him!


10 posted on 11/1/2004, 12:45:06 AM by Cableguy (Bush wins 53/47)
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To: TFine80; ScaniaBoy; Stratman; RedBloodedAmerican; Doe Eyes; Willie Green; Naspino; SaveTheChief; ...
Oct. 31 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. employers probably added 175,000 workers to payrolls in October, the most in five months, while the unemployment rate held at a three-year low of 5.4 percent, the median forecast in a Bloomberg News survey of economists shows.

Just to put the 175,000 new payroll jobs in perspective, that's just below the average of 179,500 new payroll jobs that were created each month from Carter through Clinton. Following are the number of payroll jobs created during each presidential term since Roosevelt's final term:

           TOTAL NONFARM EMPLOYMENT (thousands)
                                                                  Annual
                                       No. of  Monthly   Annual Avg thru
      Term   Mo  Year   Count  Change  Months  Average  Average  Clinton
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Roosevelt   Jan  1941   34480    7423      48    154.6     1856     1632
Truman 1    Jan  1945   41903    2772      48     57.8      693     1616
Truman 2    Jan  1949   44675    5470      48    114.0     1368     1687
Eisenhower  Jan  1953   50145    2743      48     57.1      686     1713
Eisenhower  Jan  1957   52888     795      48     16.6      199     1807
Kennedy     Jan  1961   53683    5900      48    122.9     1475     1968
Johnson     Jan  1965   59583    9855      48    205.3     2464     2022
Nixon       Jan  1969   69438    6182      48    128.8     1546     1967
Nixon/Ford  Jan  1973   75620    5072      48    105.7     1268     2027
Carter      Jan  1977   80692   10339      48    215.4     2585     2154
Reagan 1    Jan  1981   91031    5322      48    110.9     1331     2068
Reagan 2    Jan  1985   96353   10780      48    224.6     2695     2252
G.H. Bush   Jan  1989  107133    2592      48     54.0      648     2105
Clinton 1   Jan  1993  109725   11507      48    239.7     2877     2833
Clinton 2   Jan  1997  121232   11156      48    232.4     2789     2789
G.W. Bush   Jan  2001  132388    -821      44    -18.7     -224
            Sep  2004  131567
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Total (Kennedy thru Clinton)    78705     480    164.0     1968
Total (Kennedy thru G.W. Bush)  77884     524    148.6     1784

Source: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ce, Series CES0000000001

The above table is updated through September of 2004. If we did in fact add 175,000 new payroll jobs in October, Bush's average since January 2001 will rise from minus 18.7 thousand to minus 14.4 thousand jobs per month.

Of course, some will point to the household survey, according to which the American economy has added 1.6 million net new jobs since January 2001. Most experts suggest that the true jobs figure is likely somewhere between the figures from the payroll and household surveys. Still, even if one accepts the household survey figure, the 1.6 million new jobs in the 44 months since January 2001 comes out to 436 thousand jobs per year. As the above table shows, that is the lowest rate of job creation since Eisenhower's second term.

The household survey is also where the unemployment rate comes from. It is true that the current 5.4 percent rate is the lowest since a 5.0 percent rate in September of 2001. However, part of this drop is due to the relative shrinking of the labor force illustrated in the following graph:

CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE PARTICIPATION RATE (percent, seasonally adjusted)

The figures for this and a number of other employment statistics can be found at http://home.att.net/~rdavis2/jobs.html. If the labor force participation rate was currently at its January 2001 level of 67.2 percent, the labor force would be 150.545 million instead of 147.483 million. If those additional 3.062 million people were counted as unemployed, the unemployment rate would be 7.3 percent, not 5.4 percent. Of course, it's not clear exactly why the labor force participation rate has shrunk. Whatever the cause, however, this is part of the reason for the drop in the unemployment rate.

AVERAGE NUMBER OF WEEKS UNEMPLOYED (16 years and over, seasonally adjusted)

One other negative bit of employment data is the average number of weeks unemployed. It's currently at 19.6 weeks, down from a high of 20.3 weeks in February of this year. As the following graph shows, that is the highest level since 1950 except for the three month period from May to July of 1983.

In summary, if I were a Bush supporter, I would avoid dwelling on employment data this close to the election.

11 posted on 11/1/2004, 10:27:57 AM by remember
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To: ScaniaBoy
Definitely on the first page on NYT and WaPo tomorrow!

/parallel universe

Ah yes! The one where Spock wears a beard and the NYT is "Fair and Balanced".

12 posted on 11/1/2004, 10:33:42 AM by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SaveTheChief

Oh, you mean the kind of jobs where one actually has
to WORK?!


13 posted on 11/1/2004, 12:00:59 PM by Twinkie
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