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No Peter the Great (Putin Raises a Glass to Lenin, Stalin, Andropov).
National Review Online (NRO) ^ | Ion Pacepa

Posted on 11/01/2004 4:34:15 PM PST by TapTheSource

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To: TapTheSource

Thanks.


41 posted on 11/01/2004 8:40:36 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: GarySpFc

Gary, it's very simple...You are for Putin and the KGB, I am for the Russian people. You defend dictatorship, I support FREEDOM. Your boy Putin supports our enemies, I support the United States. Somehow you have managed to confuse totalitarianism with conservatism. I hate to break it to you, but the two do not go together.


42 posted on 11/01/2004 8:55:22 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: 185JHP

No problem. Unfortunately, the "Putin right or wrong" crowd has arrived.


43 posted on 11/01/2004 8:56:27 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource
No problem. Unfortunately, the "Putin right or wrong" crowd has arrived.

I favor giving Putin the benefit of the doubt.  And if you didn't want me here, why did you freep-mail me with this URL?
44 posted on 11/01/2004 9:32:49 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse

I didn't say I didn't want you here. I was refering to a post further up. I ran into a post of yours that made me think you would be interested in the Pacepa article. Giving Putin the benefit of the doubt is a far different stance than the people I was referring to (although I would disagree with your stance, but at least your rational about it).


45 posted on 11/01/2004 9:36:57 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: Askel5

BTW, what exactly do you find unsettling about the Martinez article?


46 posted on 11/01/2004 9:47:00 PM PST by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource

Thank you for the ping.....albeit, doing it by freepmail has me perplexed. I am more used to the public ping, thus my consternation.


47 posted on 11/01/2004 10:58:50 PM PST by Chani
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To: GarySpFc; Agrarian; Mount Athos
This was already posted once. My reply then, as I recall, was "No Dostoevsky".

John Birchers are losers.

48 posted on 11/02/2004 12:22:39 AM PST by MarMema (Sharon is my hero)
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To: TapTheSource
This writer is a Romanian. and I am willing to bet knows very little about Russia - then or now.

You are boring us to death with your ten-year-old "run, the commies are coming" repeat posts.

49 posted on 11/02/2004 12:27:01 AM PST by MarMema (Sharon is my hero)
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To: GarySpFc
Pro-chechens are the minority here and don't seem to last long either. This is his, what? - 3rd or 4th reincarnation here on FR.

He does make for nice opportunities to run into you again, though! Hope things are going well for you and yours!

50 posted on 11/02/2004 12:29:44 AM PST by MarMema (Sharon is my hero)
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To: MarMema

Truly a sophomoric piece of writing, this article.


51 posted on 11/02/2004 12:41:02 AM PST by Agrarian
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To: Agrarian

This is a really embarassing article isn't it? Blaming Putin for the deaths at the Theatre and Beslan -- with no blame assigned whatsoever to the terrorists? The author is a disgusting, dishonest man.

Falsely suggesting Putin praised Stalin and Lenin -- black propaganda. If I say Pearl Harbor was a "memorable day", does that mean I am praising Japan's attack on the USA? Total bunk. And what is this -- the implication that every career man who worked for the KGB is assumed to be pure evil?

And what's this, blaming Putin for every death in Chechnya -- with no acknowledgement whatsoever that when Russia pulled out of there completely for 3 years, repeated attacks on the rest of Russia were launched from it? From their safe haven in Chechnya, Baseyev and others killed 1000 in Daegestan via raids, and many others with terrorist attacks throughout Russia -- all when there were no troops at all in Chechnya and when they were self governing.

There is no substance to the article, it is all dishonest propaganda.


52 posted on 11/02/2004 3:06:51 AM PST by Mount Athos
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To: TapTheSource; GarySpFc; Destro; MarMema; Cronos; A. Pole
Vladimir Putin looks more and more like a heavy-handed imitation of Yuri Andropov — does anyone still remember him? Andropov was that other KGB chairman who rose all the way up to the Kremlin throne, and who was also once my de facto boss.

Yes, by requiring the local legislatures to vote on his appointment, just like Italy and Britian (who by the way until recently appointed the mayor of London). So if Putin is evil for this, then our allies Italy and Britian are evil, then you must love France and Germany, since you would then sound like a democrat. And since you defend Islam, hell you must be a democrat, a liberal, etc.

and then helped him smuggle out the same (

Ummm get with the times propagandist. ABC proved it was there and DOD admitted they used it to blow up the 400,000 tons of other munitions. Your little troll snacks are getting stale. Gertz is a wind bag sensationalist and he's been proven at it again. Your support of that story does nothing but undermine Bush and the election. Just who's side are you on? As if I need to ask.

53 posted on 11/02/2004 4:40:51 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Putin hasn't implimented anything that our allies: Britian, Italy and the countries of France and Germany don't already do. And nothing more stringent then our Patriot Act. TapTheSource(Allah) is a propagandist who posts yellow journalism and blames all terrorist attacks on Russia, KGB, etc and away from Islam. This is his 3rd reincarnation in less then 2 months.


54 posted on 11/02/2004 4:45:56 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Askel5
Seriously ... doesn't it nag at you in the least the way your model only goes so far and then becomes Complete Nonsense?

That's why most of his articles are 10 years old. Things get fuzzy after that.

55 posted on 11/02/2004 4:50:27 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: TapTheSource
The US was the first nation to recognize Israel, not the UN.

How can you always be so wrong. First it was Stalin who recognized Israel about 40 minutes before the US, and second, it was the UN's partition plan that Israel accepted. Get a clue and look beyond your propaganda.

56 posted on 11/02/2004 4:56:06 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; ...
If Russia continues down this path it will only isolate itself further, and risk war with its former subject states. Putin is bringing back the Cold War one power grab at a time.

Can you explain me why the imperfect (but still partially successful) rescue operations bring back the Cold War? Are you saying that Russia should submit to the terrorists same way as Serbia was required to do? Relevant quote below:

The government's recent catastrophic Beslan operation was a reenactment of the effort to "rescue" 2,000 people from Moscow's Dubrovka Theater, where the "new" KGB flooded the hall with fentanyl gas and caused the death of 129 hostages.

Should Russia be bombed by NATO/US, should Putin be delivered to the Hague and should Maskhadov/Basayev become rulers of the Caucasus and southern Russia?

57 posted on 11/02/2004 4:57:07 AM PST by A. Pole (Pat Buchanan: "I am compelled to endorse the president of the United States [for re-election].)
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To: GSlob; MarMema
Civilizationally and culturally Russia has always been a backward communist society (from immemorial times, way before Marx), if by communism one understands a way of life

Pass the crack pipe, you've had enough. Now go pick up a real history book, something not written by the French.

58 posted on 11/02/2004 4:58:16 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: GarySpFc
Also do a search on FearGodNotMan and Snapple.

You forget GIJoel. Oh and he's a racist little troll too. Demanding to know everyone's (who disagrees with him) nationality. As if that is relavent in a debate. Accusing his desenters of being Russian. Just like another group did with Jews.

59 posted on 11/02/2004 5:01:04 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: TapTheSource
am for the Russian people.

Lame excuse of people like you to hide their true cause behind. Wait, that line also sounds like a democrat line. Do you feel their pain? Good, and since they freely elected not only Putin but gave over 70% of the Duma to right parties, you'd have to respect that, but since you don't and can only attack all the time, you obviously don't give a damn about the Russian people's wishes.

60 posted on 11/02/2004 5:02:59 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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