Posted on 11/01/2004 4:34:15 PM PST by TapTheSource
Tell me please, if Russia is so backward culturally, how come that Americans play a Russian composer on each July 4th? ( 1812 Overture - celebrating the victory of Russia over Napoleon)
I was born and grew up there, and have seen them up close - no crack pipe needed.
Every primitive stone age tribe has its own great singers and dancers, but still it remains a primitive stone age tribe. As you might notice, in my original post I specifically referred to the way of life, i.e. to how people relate to one another and to their society, and not to musical and other similar accomplishments, not even to technological ones. This is the difference between a Scandinavian village of 8th century - with its "tings", or primitive parliaments, and, say, proto-Russian village of the same 8th century - technological level is the same or close, but civilizational - day and night.
I posted an excerpt from one of his sources, postmarked 10/22/04 airmail from London, which arrived in plenty of time for me to have been waiting a couple days before the "Osama Bin Laden" tape surfaced.
They're more timely than you know.
If you read the historic data from archeology, that the average peasant in Kieven Russ kept journals, that when Charles II (I believe) married a Kieven Princess, he couldn't even sign his name, while she read and wrote and was well versed. That Harold's daughter (the last Anglo Princess of Angleland [England]) fled with his wife to Kiev, after Hastings, and married a Kieven Prince.
How do you explain Chakovsky? Dostayevsky? Gogal? or anything else. That you hate your old culture is obvious from your posts, but intellectual honosty is something to strive for.
And you must consider the Nut Cracker derevenskayo gavno. Oh and the village communes were something that was introduced by the WESTERN trained intelligencia (oxymoron) in the 1860s and destroyed by Stalypon in the 1900s to be replaced with free farmers (just like what was in Siberia), why Stolypin was assassinated.
Funny, I find Russians friendlier and more social then most of the people I know in my city or neighborhood, where no one speaks to anyone else. When I was in Germany it was even worse. If this is what you enjoy, hay, all the power to you.
How much do you know of Kieven Russ? From your post, not much. Kieven Russ was the only major nation in Europe with freedom of mobility for the peasants all the way to the 11th centuary.
I lived there till age 26, if that makes any difference, and got out of there in '81. By the way, when speaking of civilizational level, I was not referring to educational attainments either.
Not 'Kieven' but "Kievan". "The joy of [Kievan] Russia is to drink" - Vladimir, ca. 988. In 862 the population had to call in Varangians to import "social order", i.e. civilization proper (per Gostomysl in Nestorian chronicle). It did not take, though.
Bravo. You nailed it.
(((PING)))
World Communist-Islamist End Game Nearing? BTTT
I think what you mean is that Russia has always been a conciliar society. It is true that living in an apartment in Moscow, as I did many times, means you are part of a group of people who all share a sense of community. Babushki I had never met stopped to tell me how to better dress my child.
Backward is a fairly bizarre term, no matter how you mean it, for a country which has produced some of the greatest literature, music, and architecture on the planet.
~ping~
And have you been back?
By the way, when speaking of civilizational level, I was not referring to educational attainments either.
Good thing since Russia's literacy rate has long surpassed ours, and has long been among the highest in the world.
When I was there second graders were speaking great English, having learned it as a second language in their public schools.
Btw I hope you were able to catch the Moscow circus before you left. I saw it three times on my visits and will never forget it. The genius was breathtaking.
lets go to war with russia, what a great idea fuktards!
The Romanians must cringe when they hear this man's name in public.
I'm working on a point by point reply to your Mary Ball Martinez query. It's complicated, since I don't want to dismiss her outright. She has a grudge against Pacelli because she links him to an alleged masonic conspiracy to overthrow the Church from the inside, dating to the beginning of the last century. That's a hell of a stretch IMO. This is not to say that the Church doesn't have enemies on the inside, but Popes are not infallible in their every prudential act, so I consider it unfair and a bit nutty to pounce on every real and alleged misstep as smoking-gun evidence of elaborate plots.
In some respects MBM's just factually wrong. Elsewhere she reports facts that are true but incomplete or out of context. Note that not even her most startling claims are footnoted.
If you google up MBM, you'll get a good idea of the circles that have embraced her.
I expect to have something more to say about this after I check my reference library tonight.
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