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F-16 Fighter Fires At School In New Jersey
www.nbc10.com ^ | 3:56 pm EST November 4, 2004 | www.nbc10.com

Posted on 11/04/2004 1:55:59 PM PST by crushelits

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To: crushelits
If I was a kid in that school this would be the coolest thing! Bullet holes in the school building from a fighter jet!

My guess is that the school system is going to send all of the little kiddies to grief counseling where they will force into them the idea that they should be VERY afraid of the military, guns, pocket knives, Christians, and Bush. Poor little public school tykes...

121 posted on 11/04/2004 2:45:38 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: crushelits

Its obviously a case of bad intelligence. I am sure he thought he was firing at the baby milk factory.


122 posted on 11/04/2004 2:46:20 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant (Remember the Red Sox won the World Series on George Bush's watch!)
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To: Poohbah

You'd think, but it has worked pretty well for more than 10 years. Remember, in the old days the first detent turned the camera on in many aircraft. That almost always worked too.


123 posted on 11/04/2004 2:46:36 PM PST by Rokke
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To: archy
Boys from Syracuse

Do you know why they did away with that moniker? Was it due to some PC-type issue?

124 posted on 11/04/2004 2:46:41 PM PST by Fury
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To: Pukin Dog
Oh. . .at Seymour-Johnson we had a crew almost drop a BDU-33 on the range tower. The tower was supposed to be the off-set designation point and, well, the back-seater made a little mistake and designated it as the target, not off-set point. The mission was on the Dare Range, at night, and as the crew rolled in and pointed at the "target," what really hosed them was the fact that you could hear the pilot verify the designation, and seen in the FLIR ("Looks good."). Bomb away. . .shortly thereafter the range tower reports a 10 meter bomb from the tower! Needless to say, the guys were in a bit of trouble and there is a plaque embedded in the range tower parking lot. The plague marks the spot where the bomb hit and names the crew.

Of course, we have the BBC bomber story when I was flying A-10's in the UK. . .and that one was sweet.
125 posted on 11/04/2004 2:46:51 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

Ha! Or the French Embassy!


126 posted on 11/04/2004 2:47:15 PM PST by agere_contra
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To: Gunrunner2

You make a lot of sense -- I know it takes about a half second for the Vulcan to reach it's full fire rate, so I'd guess it would fire 55-65 rounds in the first 1 second of shooting. But, I agree and still don't see somebody being able to squeeze off just 25 rounds?

I know this hardly constitutes an Accident Investigation Board, but do you think that considering the 7000' altitude (which does seem too high) the pilot may have been heading in and when he switched the Master Arm on OR selected his gun, that might have triggered some sort of electrical short in the firing circuit?

Just thinking out loud?


127 posted on 11/04/2004 2:47:26 PM PST by Barnstormer
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To: crushelits

Was this near the turnpike? Might be related to those "Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft" signs you see now and then.


128 posted on 11/04/2004 2:47:45 PM PST by searchandrecovery (Best Election EVER!)
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To: Rokke
You'd think, but it has worked pretty well for more than 10 years. Remember, in the old days the first detent turned the camera on in many aircraft. That almost always worked too.

Yeah, but in the one case, you were likely to start using the gun after you turned on the camera to immortalize your kill (c8

In this case, you're intending to drop an LGB...not shoot the damn gun.

129 posted on 11/04/2004 2:48:20 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: crushelits

If they were going to fire on a school, perhaps they should have gone to Ithica.


130 posted on 11/04/2004 2:48:40 PM PST by doug from upland (Michael Moore = a culinary Pinocchio ---- tell a lie, gain a pound.)
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To: gaijin
The attack is justified; my gut feelings is that there was a smoker at this school.

Or a Young Life meeting in a class room after hours. Can't have any of that Christian stuff in the public school building...

131 posted on 11/04/2004 2:49:33 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Way ahead of you. . .see Post 90.


132 posted on 11/04/2004 2:49:38 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: crushelits

Maybe they thought it was the Chinese embassy


133 posted on 11/04/2004 2:50:23 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Barnstormer
Yeah, the altitude indicates to me that he was likely in the pattern. But we simply don't know enough right now.
134 posted on 11/04/2004 2:50:46 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Walkingfeather

My reference point is seriously outdated - but, I don't think they make a DU round for the 20mm?


135 posted on 11/04/2004 2:51:26 PM PST by Barnstormer
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To: Gunrunner2

One quarter of a second. Bump. Very plausible.


136 posted on 11/04/2004 2:51:26 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Blueflag
Warthog wouldn't be at FL7, more like 700 feet ;-).

While employed at NWSC Crane in Southern Indiana in the early 1980s, I'd often see Warties on their way to the Camp Atterbury gunnery ranges warming up a little on the morning on-the-way to work traffic, with first one lining up with a possible target for a second or two, then the other.

When they came along over the old Navy A4 Skyhawk *gate guard* on the road to the corner of the base where I worked, they both dipped their noses for a couple of seconds at the old *hot rod.* I do not believe it was exactly a salute to Naval Aviation, nor to a pretty good old aircraft that once performed the same sort of job they had, but it worked out that way.

Their altitude was much, MUCH less than 700 feet AGL on those pretty Hoosier mornings, more like 150 feet, sometimes maybe half that, around telephone pole-top heights.

My fiancee wrenched on the A10's Pave Penny targeting systems during her bluesuit days in Arizona. She saw nothing unusual about that sort of flying, routine for the A10 drivers in her experience.

137 posted on 11/04/2004 2:52:09 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Yes I have been reading the articles you pinged.
This one sounds like some kind of accident.
I don't think we have enough information about it for even the experts here at FR to come to any conclusion.
Pretty scarry though...It could just as well happen to our homes.


138 posted on 11/04/2004 2:52:23 PM PST by Revel
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To: Poohbah

True, but like I said, the same switchology has been in place since I first flew the jet in the early 90's. I honestly have never heard of anyone accidently shooting the gun while lasing a target.


139 posted on 11/04/2004 2:53:17 PM PST by Rokke
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To: crushelits

Take your finger off the button before you sneeze.


140 posted on 11/04/2004 2:55:18 PM PST by TexanByBirth
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