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What Went Wrong?
The New Republic Online ^ | 11.04.04 | Peter Beinart

Posted on 11/04/2004 4:39:10 PM PST by thegreatbeast

The other side may be euphoric, but the intensity of their happiness can't match the intensity of our despair. Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term. They know he staked his presidency on a catastrophe, and that, by all rights, Iraq should be his political epitaph. Their victory, while sweet, can't be fully enjoyed because it isn't fully deserved.
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But cultural sensitivity is one thing; principle is another. In their attempts to win rural voters, Democrats have already essentially abandoned gun control. That doesn't keep me up at night. But gay marriage is different. The fact that it is widely unpopular cannot obscure the fact that it is morally momentous and morally right...

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Gay marriage is morally right? Morally right? It just goes to show that the are at least a generation away from figuring out what is happening.
Unbelievable.
1 posted on 11/04/2004 4:39:18 PM PST by thegreatbeast
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To: thegreatbeast
"Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term."

The clown has no clue what a conservative is.

2 posted on 11/04/2004 4:40:21 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: thegreatbeast

What went wrong? Coors and Keyes lost. That's about it.


3 posted on 11/04/2004 4:40:24 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: thegreatbeast

"The other side may be euphoric, but the intensity of their happiness can't match the intensity of our despair."

Wanna bet?


4 posted on 11/04/2004 4:40:26 PM PST by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: Max Combined
Take your marxist godless tripe and shove it hippie! That's what I say to the traitors at the New Republic.
5 posted on 11/04/2004 4:41:47 PM PST by glennherman (a gun in every home, gays back in the closet, Islam crushed, commies jailed, etc., ad infinitum)
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To: thegreatbeast

AFIAC, Gays can do whatever they want. And they should have the same protections/rights as married couples.

Just don't demand we sanctify it by calling it marriage.


6 posted on 11/04/2004 4:42:01 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: thegreatbeast
They think ABORTION is morally right. The highest sacrament they recognize. Why wouldn't they think gay marriage is "morally right"?

The question is what do they consider "morally wrong"?

7 posted on 11/04/2004 4:42:03 PM PST by John Thornton
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To: CWOJackson

Earn a second term> He most certainly did. What did Kerry earn? Ever?


8 posted on 11/04/2004 4:42:29 PM PST by expatpat
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To: thegreatbeast

Let's not give them any clues.


9 posted on 11/04/2004 4:42:49 PM PST by Ed_in_NJ (I'm in old skivvies and New Jersey, and I approved this message.)
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To: bushisdamanin04

and Coors lost because of a publicized canadian gay fest hosted by Coors Brewing Company Inc.

Oh, and the lesbians on the women's Silver Bullet baseball team...


10 posted on 11/04/2004 4:42:52 PM PST by donmeaker (Why did the Romans cross the road? To keep the slaves from revolting again.)
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To: thegreatbeast
Their victory, while sweet, can't be fully enjoyed because it isn't fully deserved.

They. Still. Just. Don't. GET. It. :)

11 posted on 11/04/2004 4:42:54 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: thegreatbeast

"Gay marriage is morally right?"

Have them name be a single culture in the last 100,000 that had men marrying men and women marrying women. What ever the heck the gays are doing, it does not merit being called marriage and even if it is called marriage, it still is not marriage.


12 posted on 11/04/2004 4:43:07 PM PST by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: thegreatbeast

peter beinart is a little pissant that needs another smackdown like the whoopass that Ann Coulter put on his smarmy butt at amherst college shown on C-Span a few weeks ago.


13 posted on 11/04/2004 4:43:12 PM PST by kingattax
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To: glennherman

With thinking like this we will gain 10 seats in the House and be at 65 in the Senate come 2006. Keep it up lefties.


14 posted on 11/04/2004 4:44:06 PM PST by Wooly
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To: John Thornton
The question is what do they consider "morally wrong"?

Apparently, taking away the right of 14 year old girls to get taxpayer-funded abortions.
15 posted on 11/04/2004 4:44:17 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: bushisdamanin04
What went wrong? Coors and Keyes lost. That's about it.



I had a small headache as well.
16 posted on 11/04/2004 4:44:44 PM PST by msjhall
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To: thegreatbeast

Here's the deal about gay anything. The libs are in panic mode. A friend of mine has a sister who is gay and works for George Soros. He loves her. I like her a lot but hey, no one is going to take away her life, liberty, etc. But it is a huge step to anoint her joining with another woman as a marriage. I saw a video clip last night on the news of two jewish men, under the canopy, stomping on the wine glass. I'm not Jewish but I know that the symbology there is the breaking of the hymen, the acceptance from the community, and the procreation of children. Two men doing that is just too bizarre.


17 posted on 11/04/2004 4:44:47 PM PST by Mercat
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To: John Thornton
The question is what do they consider "morally wrong"?

Being too Christian. Saying no to their world view.

18 posted on 11/04/2004 4:44:57 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: John Thornton
The question is what do they consider "morally wrong"?

Prayer . . . and the various habits and behaviors which often accompany it.

19 posted on 11/04/2004 4:44:58 PM PST by madprof98
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To: thegreatbeast

< Their victory, while sweet, can't be fully enjoyed because it isn't fully deserved. >

Dang. I'm doing an awful lot of enjoying for someone who can't.


20 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:01 PM PST by GOP_Proud (Can I git me some morals here?)
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To: CWOJackson

This guy needs a check up.


21 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:06 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: thegreatbeast

"The other side may be euphoric, but the intensity of their happiness can't match the intensity of our despair. Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term. They know he staked his presidency on a catastrophe, and that, by all rights, Iraq should be his political epitaph."

I disagree profoundly, and have a whole blog to show for it:

http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com

History will record the liberation of Iraq as an epochal event and a positive one, akin to the freeing of serfs in Russia, or the fall of the Berlin Wall.


22 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:09 PM PST by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - 4 MORE YEARS!)
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To: thegreatbeast

You idiots actually believe that gay marriage is morally right? No wonder why you can't figure out why you lost so badly: you're too dumb to live.


23 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:21 PM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats with less patience.")
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To: thegreatbeast

The New Republic was long considered the sanest of the left/lib pubs..and was a strong early supporter of Bush's WoT..Some of the artivles are excellent, incisive, and well reasoned. Yet what has happened is that the hideous rag, The Nation, edited by that hideous hag...Katrina vandenHeuvel, has over twice the circulation...and TNR is losing readers left and lefter.....they're attempting to hold on to their ciurculation..


24 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:40 PM PST by ken5050
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To: thegreatbeast

You forgot a BARF ALERT!


25 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:42 PM PST by Jackknife (.......Land of the Free,because of the Brave.)
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To: donmeaker

What went wrong? Well, New Hampshire went to Kerry and that is a crying shame.
On the other hand, the long wait till afternoon to get the concession speech turned Election Night Party 2004 into one heck of an event.


26 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:46 PM PST by Mrs. Obelix
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To: thegreatbeast
Bwahahahahahaha.....your guy lost cause he didn't really have a plan, his wife is weird, and Americans are wising up to the democratic party as a shill to socialism/communism. Now go buy a clue. I want to enjoy our victory some more.

Red....fly over country color

27 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:50 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Roots of grass and broken glass...to quote NetSurfer)
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To: thegreatbeast; Howlin; Timesink; Mr. Silverback; Utah Girl; hosepipe; backhoe; FITZ; Happy2BMe; ...
The fact that it is widely unpopular cannot obscure the fact that it is morally momentous and morally right...

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA morally right ? Who's Morals ? Homosexuals Morals ?

So are they gonna try to Legislate morality now by forcing it down our throats or make us feel guilty because they feel guilty for making an immoral choices ?
28 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:54 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Want to know why I don't vote Democrat?" http://www.museumofleftwinglunacy.com)
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To: bushisdamanin04

I didn't get any sleep Election night, so I was tired yesterday. That's about the only thing that went wrong for me.


29 posted on 11/04/2004 4:45:59 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: thegreatbeast
In their attempts to win rural voters, Democrats have already essentially abandoned gun control.

A coiled rattlesnake is dangerous, whether it strikes or not.
30 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:03 PM PST by holymoly (Christmas came early; GWB was re-elected. Thank you, Santa.)
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To: thegreatbeast
Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term.

I'm an honest conservative and I admire PresBsuh. By all accounts, PresBush earned a second term. Only a sicko, wacko liberal would make such an outlandish claim.

31 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:08 PM PST by Reagan Man ("America has spoken")
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To: msjhall

Kerry killed a poor hapless goose, that's what happened.


32 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:15 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: thegreatbeast

This is the biggest pile of stink I've read all day. That includes the DU rants.


33 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:26 PM PST by NetSurfer (All your provisional ballots are belong to us.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
They. Still. Just. Don't. GET. It. :)

Ain't life grand!!

34 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:31 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: thegreatbeast
"What Went Wrong?"

"Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term."

Bwahahahahah! Irony is so ironic.

35 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:35 PM PST by Jim Robinson (No more obstructionist Senate! Sixty in 06!)
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To: thegreatbeast
"Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term. "

Anyone here who knows of even ONE honest conservative who feels this way, let me know!

36 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:40 PM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: thegreatbeast
But gay marriage is different. The fact that it is widely unpopular cannot obscure the fact that it is morally momentous and morally right...

Keep thinking that, Lefty.

OTOH, even many Democrats acknowledge the Gay Left went too far by relying on the Judiciary to enact gay marriage. It shows nothing but contempt for 70+% of the electorate.

37 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:41 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: thegreatbeast
Article states: "That doesn't keep me up at night. But gay marriage is different". I cannot imagine why this writer's insomnia problems are any of our concern.
38 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:42 PM PST by highflight (be alert - when a buzzard appears as an eagle!)
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To: WOSG

Yup. It could be the Gipper's 3rd term...


39 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:51 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: thegreatbeast

They will never understand. That will continue to work to our advantage.


40 posted on 11/04/2004 4:47:13 PM PST by doug from upland (Michael Moore = a culinary Pinocchio ---- tell a lie, gain a pound.)
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To: thegreatbeast

Translation: "I been down so long ... it looks like up to me."


41 posted on 11/04/2004 4:47:25 PM PST by mercy
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To: thegreatbeast
"The other side may be euphoric, but the intensity of their happiness can't match the intensity of our despair."

After reading such sentiments I must say: It does NOW! :)

42 posted on 11/04/2004 4:47:36 PM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: thegreatbeast

"Their victory, while sweet, can't be fully enjoyed because it isn't fully deserved."

You got part of that right, I'm still seething because of the wild, vicious, obscene charges leveled by the Dem crowd.

I'm also angry and may never get over the fact that the NY Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc. campaigned openly for Kerry and planted forged documents in order to discredit my President.

I think I am going to stay mad and can only hope that in 2008, whoever the Dems run - my objective is to help cause the next Dem concession speech - that is my life's goal.


43 posted on 11/04/2004 4:47:55 PM PST by matchwood
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To: thegreatbeast

What a waste of bandwidth.


44 posted on 11/04/2004 4:47:57 PM PST by NY Attitude
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To: thegreatbeast
What Went Wrong?

I sure haven't seen many "What Went Right"-type articles in the mainstream press in regard to Bush's strategy and victory.

45 posted on 11/04/2004 4:48:22 PM PST by TenaciousZ
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To: doug from upland

Zactly! The darkness cannot understand the light.


46 posted on 11/04/2004 4:48:30 PM PST by mercy
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To: thegreatbeast

President Bush more than earned his second term. In fact he has earned and 3rd and 4th term.

He earned it at the very least for being who he is and that is a decent and kind human being.


47 posted on 11/04/2004 4:48:43 PM PST by freekitty
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To: thegreatbeast

So people have a face with the name.

48 posted on 11/04/2004 4:48:55 PM PST by Troublemaker
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To: CWOJackson
"Honest conservatives, even those who admire President Bush, know he didn't earn a second term."

The clown has no clue what a conservative is.

Nor does he understand honesty.

49 posted on 11/04/2004 4:48:55 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: thegreatbeast
Human nature is to use the bloody red shirt. It will always provoke a response.
50 posted on 11/04/2004 4:49:29 PM PST by Domangart
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