Britsh columnist Greg Palast, who fancies himself as a kind of Michael Moore for across the pond, insists in today's column that John Kerry won the majority of the vote in Ohio, and -- at least by his reckoning -- won the election.Posted on 11/05/2004 3:54:14 PM PST by mhking
Britsh columnist Greg Palast, who fancies himself as a kind of Michael Moore for across the pond, insists in today's column that John Kerry won the majority of the vote in Ohio, and -- at least by his reckoning -- won the election.
Palast tries to use CNN's exit polling data to justify his outlandish position, completely ignoring the actual counts from the state Secretary of State's office. He incredibly attempts to use the race card to further bolster his insane position.
At 1:05 a.m. Wednesday morning, CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. The exit polls were later combined with—and therefore contaminated by—the tabulated results, ultimately becoming a mirror of the apparent actual vote. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent.Palast also insists that the close victory in New Mexico also belongs to Kerry. He blames provisional balloting in that case. What Palast doesn't tell you is that the bulk of the provisional vote -- something the DEMOCRATS insisted on -- went for Democratic candidates (including Kerry), and Kerry still lost the state.the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial, question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know.
The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something called "spoilage." Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded.
And not all votes spoil equally. Most of those votes, say every official report, come from African-American and minority precincts.
Palast is one who rabidly hates the GOP in general, and the Bush Administration in particular.
Palast practically wanted to desecrate Ronald Reagan's grave, and insisted that he was "in hell" for what he had done in office.
What Palast has little consequence to anyone on this side of the Atlantic, but in the UK, he does his best to stir up as much anti-American sentiment as he possibly can.
Double-barrelled Mega-PING! to both lists! If you want on, FReepmail me!
My response to him is to take Dick Cheney's advice to Pat Leahy.
I don't think he is a Brit.
What an insufferable goof-ball.
Hey Dude:
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If the polls are accurate predictors, then why have elections at all? Why not just poll?
LOL
Took the exact words out of my (green-toothed) mouth...
Too bad for the left, exit polls don't elect the President. That exit polls are what they'll base "selected, not elected" on this time shows that the poll watchers kept a lot of the fraud down.
Before reading the Palast article, remind yourself that Bush won, that nothing is going to change that, and this is simply a rant by a Marxist twit.
Once you do that, Palast's article is really quite hilarious. Unintentionally so, of course, but it's frankly one of the stupidest pieces of prose this side of Jane Smiley.
Just wish I could post the picture of the guy saying,"Not this S**T again!!"
Awesome! :)
Yes, the 280 Ohioians who answered the exit pollster is a better indication than the millions of votes that were cast.
We must have aimed poorly and missed one of his ancestors back in 1812. Brits are funny when they whine.
I didn't know communists (like Palast) believe it hell? ......although I can understand his being outraged at Reagan's primary accomplishment -- destroying communist Russia.
He is not a Brit. He is from the US. Notice I did not say "American." He deeply hates this country. But yes, he does work for the BBC.
Well, you don't expect Palast to believe the Ohio Secretary of State do you?
After all, the Secretary is a ...... a ....... a Blackamoor.
Bashing Brits in general? Nope. Not my intent. Just the Brit (and if he's not one, I apologize) who wrote the article that I'm talking about here.
Palast was in the Michael Medved show today. He had plenty of interesting things to say and we had a good thread.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1272032/posts?page=1,50
My apologies to the UK for giving Palast the moron to them. It sounds like he's OUR village idiot -- or perhaps I should say "one of" our village idiots.
They just won't accept it... To Bad, BUSH WON!!
Actually I think he's an American, at least by birth. He doesn't have an accent and said he voted in the election.
Well, it says at the beginning that he is a British columnist. I think we can be excused for thinking that he is one.
Puh-leeze. I worked in a precinct at this election. Voters get three chances on a written ballot, and that's it. Some spoiled ballots are spoiled by random marks (an elderly person who is very unsteady often drags their pen and makes extra marks), some are spoiled because the voter wasn't paying attention and marked the wrong box, and some - I hate to say it - are spoiled because the voter can't read and won't ask for help.
The supervisor in my polling place did everything possible to make sure that everyone voted, and when the third ballot had been requested, he made sure that the voter knew that they couldn't have another one, but that if they needed someone to help them, they could get it. In one case, they requested help; in another, they didn't.
Incidentally, the supervisor was a black man.
lol.....so you equate bashing a certain individual Marxist Brit with bashing the whole country? Does that mean that when we Americans bash Michael Moore we're "America bashing?"
Needless to say, your "logic" is a bit wanting.
How would the Brits like michael moore messing in their elections?
Did this guy work for the Census when they were trying to use "statistical analysis" to create people instead of actually counting them?
Fine, then take your arguments over to those threads, not this one.
It isn't our British allies that should be bashed..It is the press that thinks were are just too dumb to vote...The left here and there mostly consider conservatives either wild eyed fanatics or dumb bumpkins...The Guardian had a thread on politics talk on "How to assassinate Bush and Cheney"..Outrageous
The difference is Mike Moore is not a Brit.
Palast is an American expatriot. (bloody colonials!)
Sensitive, are you?
The America bashing by the Brits doesn't cease either. I have a choice, either to wet the bed, or give as good as I get.
.....And don't allow a few idiots over on those threads to get you down. There are some in every crowd. The vast majority of American Freepers are happy to have conservative Brits around here -- we share the same core beliefs. .....and enemies.
Did Medved tear him to shreds?
Hey Greg
Bite Me!!!
(Like we give a damn what you think.....and I am an African American who voted for BUSH)
Nah. Not fatass enough.
Palast tries to use CNN's exit polling data...
Hehehe. I gues that's the flip side to the exit-poll sucker punch we felt at 1pm: the exit poll wedgie the libs were all feeling by 9pm. Sweet.
"Most of those votes, say every official report, come from African-American and minority precincts."
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'every official report'. I haven't seen any official reports. The election ended just 2 days ago, not even all the votes and provisionals are in or counted yet.
Even if this is true, it proves nothing. It is not the function of the state to simplify voting beyond what's required for an average person. If some group is not up to the task (whites, blacks, the elderly, stupid people, etc), they should get their own house in order. There are no barriers being intentionally placed in their way, and he admits the process is easy enough for 97% of voters to master. He should stop whining and get a job. In fact, making use of one's right to vote is probably too EASY. How about an intelligence test, a test of Constitutional knowledge, or only allowing taxpayers to vote?
Yes, there are still millions of lefties to whom nonbelief in their wacky, screwball, socialist future means that one must be a hater and a troglodyte. We'll always have these nuts, but the Dems must jettison the likes of Palast, Moore, Sharpton and other leftist nitwits to again be a legitimate force in American politics. And that gay marriage initiative in the election year cost Kerry millions of votes...as it should have. The Dems just don't get it.
And what would that advice be?
He's probably referring to lies paid for by the taxpayers and bought from Marion Frances Barry's "Civil Rights Comission".
Oh gee, another white male claiming the votes, opinions, etc, of white males don't count. Except for his, of course. I think the problem with some of these idiots is that no one ever bothered to kick their a$$ back in school. If someone had, they wouldn't have nearly the disconnect with reality that they do.
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