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"Can California and NY Secede?" (Liberals Are Desperate!)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | November 5, 2004 | Catherine Elsworth

Posted on 11/05/2004 6:46:44 PM PST by GaryL

They campaigned tirelessly, wrote huge cheques and threatened to leave the country if George W Bush retained the White House.

This week the gloom and dejection on America's "blue" coasts was palpable, as many Left-leaning Californians and New Yorkers weighed up the prospect of another four years of Republican rule.

In the country's political language, "blue" states are those won by Democrats and "red" states are Republican.

Colour-coded result maps showed coastal fringes of blue with a vast slab of red in between, as Republicans romped home in the south and mid-west, thanks in no small measure to evangelical Christians.

Gleeful Right-wing commentators are calling on the actor Alec Baldwin, who said he would leave if Mr Bush won the 2000 election, to make good on his promise now that Mr Bush has an uncontested victory. "This time there's no ambiguity to take refuge in," one said.

Unsurprisingly, few coastal dwellers who pledged to move abroad were actually packing their bags. But the quandary they face is acute. As one Californian put it: "Last time [when Democrats won the popular vote] was OK because we could feel righteous in our indignation. But this time, we really are the minority."

Instead, many have been counselling one another and focusing on the question of what kind of candidate could secure a Democratic win? A celebrity, perhaps, à la Reagan or Schwarzenegger? Activists scouring the Hollywood A-list singled out Tom Hanks.

Meanwhile, a humorous reworking of America's boundaries flew about the internet. It shows Democrat-voting coastal areas tied into a "United States of Canada" and the remaining "red" centre renamed "Jesusland".

"I don't feel like a member of society any more, I'm completely detached from the rest of the country," said Chris Jackson, 36, music director for the E! entertainment network in Los Angeles.

"If it wasn't for my new job and my girlfriend, I'd leave right now. I had made plans, even talked to a Canadian friend about possibly marrying to get citizenship. Can California, the rest of the west coast and New York secede?"

In Hollywood, the post-election depression has been particularly severe. During his campaign, Senator John Kerry called on a star-studded cast including Bruce Springsteen, whose blue-collar credentials gave the campaign a significant boost.

But Martin Grove, a columnist on the Hollywood Reporter, said the "media giants who own Hollywood" were quite satisfied.

The "real story" was of the two losers: Mr Kerry and Michael Moore, the anti-Bush film director whose Fahrenheit 9/11 lambasted the president.

"Moore campaigned vigorously with a 60-city tour of key states. This is a major defeat for him."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; conservative; election; liberal; secession; sorelosers; succession
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To: Wonderama

I bet we could take up a collection and even provide them money for travel expenses to leave! Canada seems like a perfect fit to me!


81 posted on 11/05/2004 7:33:20 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: FatherofFive
"We keep the land. Let them leave. Find a better country!"

Agreed! If they don't like the country they can head out and create their own. The elite intelligentsia can set up the new socialist government and the rest, instead of protesting full time, can build the infrastructure (yeah right, slackers.)

And don't come crawling to us for aid--I'm sure the U.N. will be happy to help.
82 posted on 11/05/2004 7:34:46 PM PST by JanetteS (My heart is as light as a song!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Where do they (blue states) think most of the raw products for their food they eat comes from.....

The supermarket.

83 posted on 11/05/2004 7:36:02 PM PST by umgud (Donate monthly, don't be a Freeploader)
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To: GaryL

Some boobs over at DU were talking about a revolution

One of the saner types pointed out that THE OTHER SIDE HAS ALL THE GUNS

I laughed to myself the rest of the night


84 posted on 11/05/2004 7:36:45 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Wneighbor
I live in Contra Costa County (SF bay area)I think it is about 40% red. It encompasses Richmond and a few other cities that are an extension of Oakland(need I say more)then the rest of us are in the suburbs and that is where most of the Republicans are. We either don't want to live in SF or can't afford to but a lot of people commute there to work. San Francisco would never make it if all of the "talent" that worked there actually had to live there.
85 posted on 11/05/2004 7:37:24 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: uncbob

ROFL. There's enough guns on my street alone to pin down any offensive they might mount, and we're in the belly of the beast.

My very first job was at a gun club. I triple-dog-dare them to try an insurrection.


86 posted on 11/05/2004 7:38:12 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: Pastor of Muppets

I have an idea! Lets move all the liberals to Maine and then we can gift wrap it and give it to Canada. There was a war fought over Northern Maine a long time ago and the joke was the Americans lost. From the looks of your county map, Northern Maine is prime liberal country anyway.


87 posted on 11/05/2004 7:39:19 PM PST by Vor Lady ((I don't want henchmen when I grow up, I want minions!))
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To: PhiKapMom
Gee... I didn't realize this goofy article would elicit such a rapid fire response!

After reading through all the interesting posts, I'm starting to like the idea of encouraging the liberals to emigrate to Canada. That could be a solution that pleases everyone. Short move for them, lots of free land up there. Hmmm...except maybe the Canadians??
88 posted on 11/05/2004 7:40:05 PM PST by GaryL
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To: GaryL
Would you fight a war to prevent them from leaving? I'd say let them go in peace!

Perhaps I was not clear in my previous post. I would in no way stop the liberals from leaving the US for wherever they want to go to, including Hell for all I care. My position is that I am not willing to surrender one square mile of this country to the liberals. If they cannot live with the Constitution as it was originally meant to be and they cannot live with religion as being a part of our social fabric, then they can leave the country.

I believe that the notion of a peaceful seperation is unrealistic (especially when you consider who we are talking about-LIBERALS). As I stated in my previous post, the most powerful military in the world is conservative by nature and they have overwhelmingly supported Bush and his agenda. They would side with the "Reds" against the "Blues". We can forcefully expel the liberals to Canada and keep ALL OF AMERICA for the "Reds".

89 posted on 11/05/2004 7:40:26 PM PST by rjmeagle (Do Not Cast Pearls Before Swine (Dems)!!!)
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To: GaryL

I have been laughing at some of the comments -- think the libs going to Canada is a great idea! I liked the one about giving Maine to Canada -- might want to throw in Vermont as well!


90 posted on 11/05/2004 7:42:19 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: GaryL
"Can California, the rest of the west coast and New York secede?"

This question has already been addressed. The answer was "No".

91 posted on 11/05/2004 7:42:28 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: GaryL
Sorry libs, but in California and New York your territory is limited to the City limits of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and New York City. Take away those cities and California and New York all join the Union of the Red States.

BTW we'd all be more than happy to push San Francisco into the bay and you libs can float it to Canada where it belongs.

92 posted on 11/05/2004 7:43:41 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: GaryL

I have also seen and heard a great deal of talk about secessionism, civil war, rioting and enmasse emmigration coming from the Left. We already know that violence is not outside the realm of possibility vis-a-vis the Left. We also know that they even had a play about assassinating our leaders so this is not so far outside the realm of possibility. I find this chilling. Question: What would be the reaction of us conservatives, if our president was assassinated by the far left? I shudder to think on it.


93 posted on 11/05/2004 7:44:22 PM PST by rjmeagle (Do Not Cast Pearls Before Swine (Dems)!!!)
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To: sierrahome

"Dems don't win states they win cities."

Well said my friend.

Cheers,

knews hound


94 posted on 11/05/2004 7:44:50 PM PST by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: GaryL

ping me on this subject please...thanks!


95 posted on 11/05/2004 7:46:51 PM PST by rocky88 (What a great week to be a Republican!)
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To: PhiKapMom

THAT'S IT!!

Rjmeagle is right! Why should we give up our land by letting them have any of the states? If they're not happy here, they can just move to Canada. I live in Illinois (Chicago suburb). I'm shocked to see how "red" Illinois is outside of Chicago! I was thinking if Illinois joined the "Blue State Alliance" I'd have to move to Virginia!


96 posted on 11/05/2004 7:50:57 PM PST by GaryL
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To: GaryL

The thing that makes most of those states blue is the big cities with their heavy black populations that went 88% for Kerry


97 posted on 11/05/2004 7:52:18 PM PST by uncbob
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To: GaryL
I'm starting to like the idea of encouraging the liberals to emigrate to Canada.

Gary,

Don't worry about the Canadians. We don't like them and they don't like us! Simply, use our GUNS to force the liberals to leave and the Canadians to acquiesce!

I notice you are coming around to my point of view: no secession, but expulsion!

98 posted on 11/05/2004 7:52:35 PM PST by rjmeagle (Do Not Cast Pearls Before Swine (Dems)!!!)
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To: GaryL

Maybe we could institute an exchange program....Canada gives us their conservatives and we give them our liberals.


99 posted on 11/05/2004 7:54:07 PM PST by kalee
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
I know I'll get a lot of heat for this,BUT
Why don't we just round them up and send them to the camps.
Call it a beautification project for the nation.
Of course we'll try to turn the children and some of the cute girls.< /sarcasam >
100 posted on 11/05/2004 7:54:59 PM PST by WhirlwindAttack ( Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Islam!)
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