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Tired of waiting for the election? (the predictors that did and didn't work)
filibuster cartoons dot com ^ | 11-2004

Posted on 11/06/2004 10:32:54 AM PST by doug from upland

Tired of waiting for election day?

Inevitably, every four years all sorts of different "experts" will spring up, each claiming to know the single best way to predict who will win the US Presidential Election. This usually involves pointing to some obscure poll, survey, or historical precedent that has apparently always been correct ever since election X way back when.

Here are some of the most commonly-cited predictors that have an unbroken track record of legitimacy. There are many others as well, but most of those have been wrong at least once. These ones have been 100% accurate up till now:

Poll / Predictor
Accurate since:
Favored in 2004:

The Republican must win Ohio

1861
Bush

Weekly Reader's children's poll

1956
Bush

How Missouri votes

1956
Bush

The Democratic candidate must be from the South to be elected President

1964
Bush

How Tennessee votes

1964
Bush

How Ohio votes

1964
Bush

How Arkansas votes

1972
Bush

The official prediction of Charles Schwab's Washington Research Group

1976
Bush

Yale Economist Ray Fair's formula of determining the winner through economic statistics

1980
Bush

Halloween mask sales
(as counted by Buycostumes.com)

1980
Bush

Betting odds, as recorded by the Iowa Electronic Market (link)

1988
Bush

Family Circle first lady cookie bake-off, followed by cookie popularity poll

1992
Bush

Predictors which were voided in 2004

When Senator John Kerry lost the 2004 Presidential election several longstanding election-predicting traditions proved they were no longer reliable:

Poll / Predictor
Accurate since:
Favored in 2004:

Outcome of the Washington Redskins' final home game before the election
(if they win, so does the incumbent party)

1936
Kerry

The President's approval rating must be above 50% to be re-elected.

1956
Kerry

Nickelodeon's "Kids' Vote"

1988
Kerry

How wrong were the poll sites?

There were a ton of sites in 2004 who all claimed to have established an authoritative method of predicting the outcome of the electoral college. They used elaborate mathematical formulas and charts that averaged polls and calculated voter trends. They even claimed to be able to predict how the undecideds would break, and how the swing states would swing.

So how reliable did the inter-web prove itself? Here's what the leading electoral college sites predicted on November first.

Site
Prediction

electionprojection.com

Bush win (286)

electoral-vote.com

Kerry win (306)

election.princeton.edu

Kerry win (311)

pollkatz.homestead.com

Kerry win (287)

race2004.net

Bush win (289)

Salon.com

Tie (269-269)

 

 


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004election; bushwins

1 posted on 11/06/2004 10:32:54 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

Thank goodness this one (the second oldest) was wrong.. "Outcome of the Washington Redskins' final home game before the election
(if they win, so does the incumbent party)"
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2 posted on 11/06/2004 10:39:18 AM PST by TheWyzzyrd (Red is grey and yellow white, but we decide which is right.. and which is an illusion. (Moody Blues))
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To: doug from upland

LA Lakers in NBA Finals means Republican wins White House: Accurate since 1960


3 posted on 11/06/2004 10:39:40 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: doug from upland

No four-letter president had ever been re-elected (Polk, Taft, Bush) - Kerry

No father or son of father-son presidents had ever been elected (Adams and Adams, Bush of Bush and Bush) - Kerry

All '00 presidents were re-elected (Jefferson and Roosevelt) - Bush


4 posted on 11/06/2004 10:39:49 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: doug from upland
election.princeton.edu

Kerry win (311)

I thought you had to be smart to get into Princeton.

5 posted on 11/06/2004 10:42:00 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: doug from upland

Nickelodeon's "Kid's Vote" was an online poll. We all know that the DNC told supporters to flood the media with glowing praise for Kerry's debate performance (some sent emails to the Washington Post telling how GREAT Kerry was BEFORE the debate had even started).

Needless to say, those online polls all skewed heavily towards John Kerry.

Is there any doubt that ADULTS voted in CBS-VIACOM's Nickelodeon poll?

Meanwhile Weekly Reader and other student based polls were out of the reach of the DU trolls giving us a truer accounting of what young people had to "say" (which generally reflects their parents' politics).

It was all so much bullzogby.


6 posted on 11/06/2004 10:51:26 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Redmen4ever

We also used to hear about the ZERO factor, if you were elected in a year ending in zero, you did not survive your first term.

Ronald Reagan showed that "statistics" like these have no bearing on the outcome of future events. George W. Bush is the second president to survive it.


7 posted on 11/06/2004 10:53:26 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: doug from upland
The President's approval rating must be above 50% to be re-elected.

These were as biased as the "exit polls" and Zogby data leading to the election.

Garbage in / Garbage out.

8 posted on 11/06/2004 10:55:00 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Redmen4ever

You're last one is wrong. It was McKinley who was re-elected in 1900 and then assassinated in 1901. How about no two consecutive presidents have served two full terms since it was accomplished by Jefferson-Madison-Monroe?


9 posted on 11/06/2004 11:16:04 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (If you always do what you've always done, you're always going to get what you've always gotten.)
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To: weegee

Actually, no. The "twenty year curse" happened as followed...

William Henry Harrison (elected 1840)- Died a month after taking office.

Abraham Lincoln (elected 1860, re-elected 1865)- Assassinated shortly after being inaugurated for his second term.

James Garfield (elected 1880)- Assassinated several months after taking office.

William McKinley (elected 1896, re-elected 1900)- Assaniated in the first year of his second term.

Warren Harding (elected 1920)- Died in 1923.

Franklin Roosevelt (elected 1932, Re-elected 1936, 1940, 1944)- Died in the first year of his fourth term.

John Kennedy (elected 1960)- Assassinated 1963.

Ronald Reagan (elected 1980, Re-elected 1984)- Survived the curse, but was nearly killed by an assassin and had cancer surgery in 1985.

George W. Bush (elected 2000, re-elected 2004) No major health problems.


As you can see, many who were struck by the curse survived their first term.


10 posted on 11/06/2004 11:26:55 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (If you always do what you've always done, you're always going to get what you've always gotten.)
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To: doug from upland

Burke's Peerage claimed Kerry had more 'blue blood' in him than President Bush so Kerry would win, just like the President won over Gore in 2000. That claim just bit the dust.


11 posted on 11/06/2004 11:50:43 AM PST by plushaye (President Bush - YES!! Four more years now! Thanks Swifties & POWs for Truth. Thank you GOD!!)
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To: plushaye

"Burke's Peerage claimed Kerry had more 'blue blood' in him than President Bush..."

I guess we have a President without peer!


12 posted on 11/06/2004 12:17:36 PM PST by Socratic (More matters than oneself.)
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To: doug from upland

Since the New Hampshire Primary began in its current form, no president has lost re-election when they failed to face serious opposition in the New Hampshire Primary-- starting with Ike in 1956.

"The taller candidate wins the popular vote" failed this year.


13 posted on 11/06/2004 6:35:44 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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