[fuzzy122]

I am MORE than open to discussing opposing views I work in a research lab with hundreds of PhD's from the finest universities on the planet (Russia, Germany and France included) and have had many long and in-depth discussions during this election season - these talks actually convinced two scientists (one from China and one from Taiwan) to register and vote FOR THE 1st TIME IN THEIR LIFE. They both voted for Arnold here in California AND BUSH.

Also my mom, dad and both of my brothers are all democrats so I grew up having "open-minded" discussions with people that hold opposing views.

As for your response to my post - I TOTALLY disagree with your take on what http://www.werenotsorry.com/ is doing. It is a site in response to http://www.sorryeverybody.com/.
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/ states in the front page - and I quote:

"Some of us — hopefully most of us — are trying to understand and appreciate the effect our recent election will have on you, the citizens of the rest of the world. As our so-called leaders redouble their efforts to screw you over, please remember that some of us — hopefully most of us — are truly, truly sorry. And we'll say we're sorry, even on the behalf of the ones who aren't."

And you want me to consider these blame-America-first low lifes as patriotic fellow citizens?

You say, "Don't mistake the distaste that other person has for an idea for distaste for the country."

I don't "mistake" it for anything other than what it is, propaganda that gives aid and comfort to our enemies in time of war.

You can look up the 14th Amendment: Rights of Citizenship (Ratified July 9, 1868) section 3 and see for yourself what the Founding Fathers had to say about that.

[Georgesque]

Your Ph.D. friends . . good for them, and good for you. You must have given a very convincing argument. I still want to know why more people who were born in this country didn't get their sorry selves off the couch to vote - regardless of who they voted for.

No, no, you misunderstood. The people on "We're NOT sorry" have every right to post what they did, and I disagree with the "We're sorry" or whatever it was (as it seems to be deceased or desisted or something of the sort) in taking the liberty of saying that they're sorry for the people who voted for Bush. That's BS. Nobody should be sorry in who they voted for.

My POINT was (and is) that conservatives don't have the right to claim the term "Real American." I think anyone who cares about this country has the right to the term "Real American." And, according to the Constitution, anyone born in the country or who has become a naturalized citizen has the right to the term "Real American."

Finally, you know where the Founding Fathers were in 1868? Pushing up daisies -- every last one of them.
But I did look up Amendment 14, Section 3, and it was ratified after the civil war to ensure that individuals who had held office prior to the war (but sided with the south during the war) would be ineligible to become politico or military leaders post-war, so I'm missing your point there.