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The Antiwar Right Is Ready to Rumble
NY TIMES ^ | 11/8/04 | Kirkpatrick

Posted on 11/08/2004 9:37:29 AM PST by tpaine

The Antiwar Right Is Ready to Rumble

NY TIMES

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/weekinreview/07kirk.html? ex=1100877650&ei=1&en=1003a79efbe25be2

November 7, 2004 The Antiwar Right Is Ready to Rumble By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

ROUND 8 p.m. Tuesday, a gloomy mood was settling over the dozen conservative stalwarts gathered with martinis and glasses of red wine in an office in Arlington, Va., to watch the returns. Early exit polls showed President Bush trailing, and Richard Viguerie, dean of conservative direct mail, thought he knew who was to blame: the neoconservatives, the group associated with making the case for the invasion of Iraq.

"If he loses, they are going to have a bull's-eye on their back," Mr. Viguerie said.

Ronald Godwin, a top aide to Dr. Jerry Falwell, agreed. "I see a real battle for the Republican Party starting about Nov. 3," he said.

The euphoria of Mr. Bush's victory postponed the battle, but not for long. Now that Mr. Bush has secured re-election, some conservatives who say they held their tongues through the campaign season are speaking out against the neoconservatives, against the war and in favor of a speedy exit.

They argue that the war is a political liability to the Republican Party, but also that it runs counter to traditional conservatives' disdain for altruist interventions to make far-off parts of the world safe for American-style democracy. Their growing outspokenness recalls the dynamics of American politics before Vietnam, when Democrats first became identified as doves and Republicans hawks, suggesting to some the complicated political pressures facing the foreign policy of the second Bush administration.

"Clearly, the war in Iraq was a drag on votes, and it is threatening to the Bush coalition," said Grover Norquist president of Americans for Tax Reform and a strategist close to the administration who had not spoken up about the war's political costs before. He contended that the war reduced Mr. Bush's majority by 6 percentage points to 51 percent of the vote. Mr. Bush now has two years to "solve Iraq" to protect Republican candidates at the midterm elections, he said. His suggestions: withdrawing United States troops to safe citadels within Iraq or by "handing Falluja over to the Iraqis and saying, 'It's your headache.' "

On Thursday, Paul Weyrich, founder of the Heritage Foundation and chairman of the Free Congress Foundation, issued a call to conservatives for a serious debate about the administration's foreign policy. "The consequences of the neocons' adventure in Iraq are now all too clear," he said. "America is stuck in a guerrilla war with no end in sight. Our military is stretched too thin to respond to other threats. And our real enemies, nonstate organizations such as Al Qaeda, are benefiting from the Arab and Islamic backlash against our occupation of an Islamic country."

Proponents of the war, however, argued that Mr. Bush would not have won re-election without it because Americans did not want to change the commander in chief. "Bush's foreign policy decisions seem to have been exactly why he won this huge victory that he did," said the neoconservative David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter and a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. He argued that candidates who opposed the war - Gov. Howard Dean the most, and Senator John Kerry to a lesser extent - suffered the biggest losses. IF the Democrats have silenced some of their loudest complaints about the war, however, some on the right said they were turning up the volume on their own previously muted objections.

"A lot of the antiwar conservatives had to hold their tongue during the campaign because the No. 1 goal was to get Bush re-elected," said Stephen Moore, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and an important conservative fund-raiser.

Even on the eve of the election, William F. Buckley Jr., founder of the National Review, was decorously edging closer to full-throated opposition to the war. "At War With What or Whom?'' was the headline of his column on Oct. 19.

A few months ago, Donald Devine, a vice chairman of the American Conservative Union, publicly apologized to Mr. Bush after it was reported that in disgust at the war he had failed to applaud a presidential speech. But in a column shortly before the election, Mr. Devine wrote that conservatives should vote for Mr. Bush precisely because he was likely to withdraw from Iraq sooner than Senator Kerry would.

Arguing that the president had dropped hints like a quickly retracted statement in a television interview about the impossibility of winning a war against terror, Mr. Devine argued that "the president's maddening repetition of slogans" about the war was the "only politically possible tactic for a candidate who has already made up his mind to leave at the earliest reasonable moment." He added: "The neoconservatives will be devastated."

But Trent Duffy, a White House spokesman, dismissed those theories, pointing to the president's statement in his post-election news conference that troops would stay in Iraq as long as needed: "Our commanders will have that which they need to complete their missions," the president said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiwarright; neocons
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To: sinkspur

Its ours if we want it.

And creating a representative democracy out of a bunch of tribal nutjobs in 3-4 years is your idea of a reasonable plan? I hope it works. It would be an ideal solution: undermine the remaining governments without firing a shot. But there are times I don't see much hope for it.

At least its more reasonable than retreating into citadels and watching the country go to hell around us. Maybe we could call them "Norquist forts."


41 posted on 11/08/2004 10:15:57 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: dirtboy
dirtboy wrote:

How long have you been posting here?

Longer than dirt.

And you believe something the NY Times writes about intramural squabbles within the conservative movement?

No, -- I believe we will withdraw to our bases & let the Iraqis fight it out for control of their internal politics, -- if we are smart.

Actually I'd bet [& have been saying all along] that has been 'the plan' since day one.

42 posted on 11/08/2004 10:16:38 AM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Little Ray
Its ours if we want it.

No it's not. Iraq belongs to the Iraqis.

And, I'm also not for "converting" Muslims. Many of them already resent Christians, and U.S.-sanctioned conversion efforts would be a disaster.

43 posted on 11/08/2004 10:18:21 AM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: tpaine
Norquist: Mr. Bush now has two years to "solve Iraq" to protect Republican candidates at the midterm elections, he said.

STFU, Grover. Because Syria, Iran, and North Korea are all standing in line for their whuppin'. You idiot, do you really believe Iraq is the end of the anti-terror campaign?

44 posted on 11/08/2004 10:18:59 AM PST by HiJinx (Support Our Troops ~ www.ProudPatriots.com)
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To: tpaine
Oh. You posted this as a serious article.

Funny.

45 posted on 11/08/2004 10:19:16 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Tempest
I kinda like "grat chowder" better.

Poetic. Gets the point across despite not knowing what it is.

46 posted on 11/08/2004 10:20:22 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Prime Choice
So you're cool with the Iranian- and Syrian-backed thugs taking over in Iraq? Get real.

Some ostriches missed the news of the huge trade deal between the ChiComs and Iran. Chinese will be more than happy to step in and dominate the Middle East if we cut and run. Russia steps in too.

Iran sells China discounted oil and China sells Iran the protection of it's nuclear umbrella and other high tech military goodies. Nuke technology, missile technology and more.

47 posted on 11/08/2004 10:22:41 AM PST by dennisw (G_D - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: ArmyBratCutie
Control your emotions or take them to the backroom.

I've backed our invasion of Iraq since day one. We needed the bases there, and we will stay there as long as we please.

But I see no reason for any GI to die over 'policing' Iraqi internal political squabbles.
48 posted on 11/08/2004 10:24:13 AM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine
The jury is still out. If the GIs come home from Iraq after stopping them from 'killing their own people' and changing their mind into not 'hating us and their neighbors', then Conservatives against the Iraq war will be wrong. I'm not holding my breath.
49 posted on 11/08/2004 10:26:12 AM PST by ex-snook (Moral values - The GOP must now walk the talk - no excuses.)
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To: Little Ray

Before we can even think of converting anyone else to Christianity, we might think about converting ourselves here in the U.S. first.


50 posted on 11/08/2004 10:27:03 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: sinkspur
sinkspur wrote:

-- we simply cannot allow the country to be taken over by radical Islamists.

Which faction in Iraq is not "radical islamists"?

51 posted on 11/08/2004 10:27:56 AM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: thoughtomator
All Norquist is guilty of is trying to thwart the dems efforts to put another minority voting block in their column. He brought in the same Muslim leaders that had been trooping to Hillary's door for eight years and that other pub leaders and government departments had been meeting with over a period of time.

And he is also guilty of trying to institute pro democratic and pro capitalism reforms in the Middle East. Let's take him out and shoot him.

The only way we'll win this war against worldwide terror is by aligning with the moderate elements, supporting them and turning the movement on itself.

It's a good thing that people who pull their six shooters every time they see what they believe to be a boogeyman aren't making the real decisions and devising long term strategic plans. It's short thinkers like that that hurt progress more than help it.
52 posted on 11/08/2004 10:29:42 AM PST by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: tpaine

The large majority of Iraqis are not radical Islamists.


53 posted on 11/08/2004 10:29:43 AM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: tpaine

"I'm not a friend of Nordquist's faction."

I'm sure that keeps him up at night.


54 posted on 11/08/2004 10:30:33 AM PST by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Alberta's Child

They have no details, only innuendo and short sightedness.


55 posted on 11/08/2004 10:31:37 AM PST by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: tpaine

Sorry, you are a fool if you think surrendering to democrats is a great way to further conservatives causes.

But hey, don't let that logic stop you.


56 posted on 11/08/2004 10:32:45 AM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: lafroste
I know. Some folks were never taught what what the purpose of a paragraph is.

I never read any posts here if there is more than two or three sentences involved, or if there is no break in the topic. Makes you dizzy, doesn't it?

57 posted on 11/08/2004 10:33:08 AM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: HiJinx

If you don't think Bush has to have Iraq primarily solved with troops being pulled out by the midterms, you don't understand politics.


58 posted on 11/08/2004 10:33:27 AM PST by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Bob J

All I can tell you is that we must have radically different perceptions of what Islam is and what it means to the rest of the world. I do not believe in the fiction of the "moderate Muslim" any more than I believe in unicorns. Every alleged "moderate Muslim" turns out to be either a murderous radical (a la Arafat) or not truly Muslim at all (e.g., the Muslim reform movement, which denies core Islamic beliefs).


59 posted on 11/08/2004 10:35:19 AM PST by thoughtomator (The Era of Old Media is over! Long live the Pajamasphere!)
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To: hellinahandcart

Grow up. -- I am not praising Nordquist.

We intend to stay in our hard won Iraqi bases.
But why get GIs killed doing police work? Answer, -- We won't, - Not much longer.

Eventually we will have to let the Iraqi's themselves fight it out for control. I say the sooner the better.


60 posted on 11/08/2004 10:38:18 AM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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