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Chafee ends speculation: He'll remain a Republican
Providence Journal ^ | 11/9/04 | John E. Mulligan

Posted on 11/09/2004 7:04:16 AM PST by BlackRazor

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To: kellynla

Watching Chaffee continue to "refine" his position puts me in mind of what it must be like to fight alongside indigenous forces, that a marine must always watch with his "third" combat eye, perhaps like an occasional Iraqi.

When the locals move to melt away into the tall grass, it becomes obvious that the "early exit polling" staged by the propagandists is having it's intended effect.

Kind of like roaring back in that swiftboat when it's obvious that those who stood their ground and risked the fire, were doing their duty in what turned out to be a secure area.

It's odd how later, when the tide of battle becomes apparent, and the shots die down, that the tall grass suddenly re-disgorges so many loyal locals eager to look for spoils.

I'd sure like to have Chafee at my back in a dustup. We sure need more like him.


41 posted on 11/09/2004 7:29:53 AM PST by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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To: BlackRazor
You have to admit that this is probably the maximum amount of leverage itty bitty Rhode Island will have for a long time. Maybe not as much as when Jeffords made the switch but probably more than when the GOP extends its majority in '06. So figure a lot of this is just political smoke to extract concessions.
42 posted on 11/09/2004 7:31:57 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Now that you are engaged in the political process, stay engaged!)
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To: BlackRazor
Well, this guy is certainly not much to crow about, but I'm sure we could do much better in solid-blue Rhode Island...

Senator Lincoln Chafee (R)
Rhode Island
Republican, Years of Service: 4

ACU Ratings for Senator Chafee:
Year 2003 35
Year 2002 53
Lifetime 44

On the other hand, the other Senator from the state, Jack Reed, has a lifetime ACU rating of 9% so I suppose it could be worse.

For comparison, here are three of the other worst RINOS in the Senate:

Senator Olympia Snowe (R)
Maine
Republican, Years of Service: 25

ACU Ratings for Senator Snowe:
Year 2003 35
Year 2002 65
Lifetime 51

Senator Susan Collins (R)
Maine
Republican, Years of Service: 7

ACU Ratings for Senator Collins:
Year 2003 45
Year 2002 55
Lifetime 56

There is not much sense complaining about Chaffee when we put up the likes of Specter, who has just as poor a record as Chaffee, and over a lot longer period of time, although in fairness, he seems to be voting more conservatively lately...

Senator Arlen Specter (R)
Pennsylvania
Republican, Years of Service: 23

ACU Ratings for Senator Specter:
Year 2003 65
Year 2002 50
Lifetime 43

The GOP needs to keep all these RINOs out of critical committee chairmanships if they want to keep their ball rolling. These RINOs probably see it is not in their best interests to jump ship and end up completely rejected and marginalized like Jeffords.

43 posted on 11/09/2004 7:32:16 AM PST by Gritty ("Once citizens are junkies for government crack, it's very hard to wean them off it-Mark Steyn)
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To: BlackRazor

He explained that he is reluctant to pledge to remain a Republican "forever."

Hey, after he retires or loses office he can be a Greenie for all I care.

Nice handle, BTW Blackrazor - were you a D & D player?


44 posted on 11/09/2004 7:32:41 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: BlackRazor

Some RINOs vote liberal some of the time in order to placate their constituents and remain in office. But in the clinch, they vote with the leadership. The leadership is happy to let them vote with the Dems on bills where the vote doesn't really matter.

Lincoln Chaffee is a different matter. He is far to the left of where he needs to be to get elected. He votes on the wrong side on key votes. He cannot be trusted.

This latest pledge of loyalty is obviously all about me, me, me. He knows if he switches parties now he will lose power, be in the minority, and gain nothing. So he will go along with the leadership until the next opportunity arises to stab them in the back.


45 posted on 11/09/2004 7:36:47 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: mwl1
We were only 2,3,4 votes short of getting the 60 we need.

You have to remember, when you're just a couple votes short on a key issue and you gain two or three votes in an election, two or three moles switch their vote the other way.
46 posted on 11/09/2004 7:38:02 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: NonValueAdded
You have to admit that this is probably the maximum amount of leverage itty bitty Rhode Island will have for a long time. Maybe not as much as when Jeffords made the switch but probably more than when the GOP extends its majority in '06. So figure a lot of this is just political smoke to extract concessions.

Personally, I think he puts up this act every couple of years as a show to play to the people back home. He knows his existence as a Republican in RI is probably somewhat tenuous. So he probably figures if he makes a great show about being a liberal Republican, not really in step with the national GOP, floating the idea of becoming an independent or Democrat, it helps his cause and image with the voters in Rhode Island.

47 posted on 11/09/2004 7:38:10 AM PST by BlackRazor
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To: mrsmith
No his vote was not needed, the filibusters succeeded without him. i don't know how you could not be aware of that.

Your post makes absolutely no sense. The filibuster is what killed getting our judges confirmed. We needed every vote we could muster. It would have been in Chafee's political interest to vote FOR the filibuster, not AGAINST it. Chafee voted with the president on his judicial nominees, and we continue to need his help on getting to 60 votes.

48 posted on 11/09/2004 7:41:26 AM PST by mwl1
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To: BlackRazor
Of course he won't switch! He's no idiot.

As a liberal GOPer, he holds a great deal of influence and can and will be courted by both sides during close votes, plus regular attention from the GOP majority that wants him to be "on board" as much as possible due to the kinda thin majority they have in the Senate.

He switches, and he's just another Dem from a very safe Dem state.

Why would he consider switching?

49 posted on 11/09/2004 7:42:04 AM PST by LincolnLover (Now comes the revolution. If you don't implement a conservative agenda now, when do you?)
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To: BlackRazor

Well, at least he isn't completely stupid. He probably saw how much fun Senator Jeffords as a turncoat had after the Dems lost control of the Senate in 2002.

Chafee and Hagel both understand that. If you are going to jump party affiliation, only do it when you are currently a minority and jumping to the majority; the reverse can make the jump hell to pay.


50 posted on 11/09/2004 7:42:15 AM PST by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: BlackRazor

I just hope Cranston's Mayor Laffey runs against him in 2006 and sends him packing.


51 posted on 11/09/2004 7:43:27 AM PST by JimWforBush
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To: pgkdan

You can have your 51 vote Senate, but you will not get the President's judges confirmed or his legislative agenda enacted into law.

Would someone on this thread please pick up a civics book and report back later when they learn that it takes 60 votes to invoke cloture in the Senate?


52 posted on 11/09/2004 7:43:56 AM PST by mwl1
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To: BlackRazor

There is a good reason why the 'Rats are desperate to turn Chafee and Specter and others -- they want to hold the filibuster! Frist said before the election that if he gains three seats, he'll be able to break all of the filibusters. He got four. We need to keep all Republicans in the Conference. We need them, they need us. All your RINOs are belong to us now.


53 posted on 11/09/2004 7:46:48 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (31 Red States - All Your Senate Are Belong To Us!!)
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To: BlackRazor

Not only is this guy's picture found in the dictionary next to RINO, but he is one DUMB sonofagun. Amazing!


54 posted on 11/09/2004 7:48:04 AM PST by penowa
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To: mwl1
Chaffee did not have to vote against the filibuster- it succeeded anyway.

If you can't get past your bizarre fantasy that his vote made a difference I give up on you.

Now that his vote on a filibuster will matter he's on the spot and he needs cover to protect him from a pro-abortion opponent.

End the filibuster and he can vote against all the pro-life judge he want and they'll be approved anyway- and he won't be blamed.

55 posted on 11/09/2004 7:49:49 AM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice.. NOT Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: BlackRazor; fieldmarshaldj

The only reason to keep Chafee in the Republican Caucus is if having 55 Republicans will yield us a 3-vote majority on Senate committees while having 54 Republicans would yield us only a 2-vote majority. If it wouldn't make any difference regarding the composition of committees, we would be better off without him, since (i) he wouldn't be taking up a Republican spot on committees where we only have a 2-vote advantage, and (ii) it would be easier for a Republican to beat a Democrat Chafee in the general election than it would to both beat him in the GOP primary and then beat a regular RI Democrat in the general.


56 posted on 11/09/2004 7:52:49 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: mwl1

No kidding! And if you think any of the 4 Senators I just named are going to vote for Cloture to bring a conservative judge to the floor you're extremely naive. If they're the 55,56,57 and 58th votes they might goo along...if they put the measure at 60 they will not vote with us. You'd have better luck courting Evan Bayh or Ben Nelson.


57 posted on 11/09/2004 7:53:24 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: BlackRazor

Probably afraid he would end up with a closet for an office like Jeffords did when the Republicans regained the majority in the Senate!


58 posted on 11/09/2004 7:53:39 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: BlackRazor

I'm trying to figure out who is most pathetic: Chafee, the Rhode Island GOP, or Rhode Island.


59 posted on 11/09/2004 7:54:25 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: BlackRazor
He carefully weighed his options and decided he could do more harm by remaining a Republican. Since the pubs have a 55-45 edge he would lose any committee advantage.
60 posted on 11/09/2004 7:55:08 AM PST by fritzz
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