Posted on 11/09/2004 7:17:10 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Within the next 4-5 years almost every state within America will have their Constitution changed to ban same-sex marriage. This is the right path to take. Alas though, federal courts, being driven forward by radical homosexual organizations, most certainly will seek to overturn the overwhelming will of the people.
We, as a society, must not allow this to happen. The foundation of American society is built upon the fact that marriage is indissoluably the union of one man and one woman. To change this to suit the whims of radical gays will most certainly undermine this nation in which we live, and the following facts support this premise.
1.) Few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, but in a study of 156 males in homosexual relationships lasting from 1-37 years, "all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for sexual activity outside of their relationships." (David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop, Englewood Cliffs: Prentice Hall, 1984, pp. 252, 253
2.) Clinicians Mattison and Mcwhirter studied 156 long-term homosexual relationships, but found that not one couple was able to maintain sexual fidelity for more than five years. most maintained a monogamous relationship for less than one year. (The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop)
3.)In a study of 2,583 older homosexuals, "the model range for number of sexual partners was 101-500 (Paul Van de Ven "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Hoimosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354)
4. According to the Centers For Disease Control, 50% of male homosexuals had over 500 sexual partners (Rotello, G. (1997). Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men. NY: Dutton)
5.)For homosexual men, the term "monogamy" doesn't necessarily mean sexual exclusivity. The term "open relationship" has for a great many homosexual men come to have one specific definition: A relationship in which the partners have sex on the outside often, put away their resentment and jealously, and discuss their outside sex with each other, or share sex partners. (Michelangelo Signorile, Life Outside (New York: Harper Collins, 1997), p. 213)
6.) "Even 'committed' homosexual relationships display a fundamental incapacity for the faithfulness and committment that is axiomatic to the institution of marriage" (Timothy J. Dailey, Homosexual Parenting: Placing Children at Risk, ) http://www.frc.org/get/is01j3.cfm
7.) "Homosexuals model a poor view of marriage to children by teaching that marital relationships are transitory and mostly sexual in nature, sexual relationships are primarilly for pleasure rather than for procreation, and monogamy in marriage is not the norm and should be discoiuraged if one wasnts a good 'marital' relationship." (Bradley P. Hayton, "To Marry or Not: The Legalization of Marriage and Adoption of Homosexual Couples," Newport Beach: The Pacific Policy Institute, 1993, p.9)
8.) Among heterosexual couples, 75% of husbands and 90% of wives claim never to have had extramarital sex. (Robert T. Michael, Sex in America: A Definitive Survey, Boston, Brown & Company, 1994) Other studies confirm the percentage of faithful spouses between 75-81% for husbands and 85-88% for wives. (Michael W. Widerman, "Extramarital Sex: Prevelance and Correlated in a National Survey," Journal of Sex Research 34 [1977], p.2)
9.) Studies of previous civilizations reveal that when a society strays from the sexual ethic of marriage (a union between a male and a female), it deteriorates and eventually disintegrates. (J.D. Unwin, Sexual Regulatiuons and Human Behavior (London: Williams & Norgate, 1933)
10.) Paula Ettelbrick, former leagl director of the Lambda Legal Defense Fund, has stated "Being queer is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so...Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex, sexuality and family, and in the process transforming the very fabric of society." (Paula Ettelbrick, quoted in William B. Rubenstein, "Since When Is Marriage a Path to Liberation?" Lesbains, Gay Men, and the Law, (New York: The New Press, 1993), pp. 398, 400)
11.) According to homosexual writer and activist Michelangelo Signorile, the goal of homosexuals is : "To fight for same-sex marriage and its benefits, and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely, to demad the right to marry not as a way of adhering to society's moral codes but rather to debunk a myth and rdaically alter an archaic institution...the most subversive action lesbian and gay men can underatke...is to transform the notion of 'family' entirely." (Michelangelo Signorile, "Bridal wave," Out, Dec 1994)
Taking all of these studies into account, it is relatively clear that homosexuals will certainly ballon the incidence of divorce in America as the study of the high rate of divorce found already in Norway and Sweden among homosexuals shows. This will further weaken the institution of marriage in America. http://www.imapp.org
As well, homosexuals do not show the faithfulness that is axiomatic to the institution of marriage. Homosexuals have a strange and twisted notion of what a committed relationship truly is.
Finally, as Dr. Unwin noted in his studies of numerous past civilization, to stray from the true concept of marraige, one man and one woman, will certainly deteriorate and disintegrate our society as well...sooner or later.
When someone saks you how two gays getting married could possibly affect you, show them these facts.
To add to your points, in my own family my great aunt lived with another woman in what could only be called a gay marriage for DECADES. There was no infidelity that I was aware of, and they were two of the most loving and caring people around.
While I understand society's desire to keep the word "marriage" exclusive to one man and one woman, the idea of civil unions does not bother me at all.
And in a basic sense, it is irrelevant to me whether someone is born a certain way or not.
How does it involve equal treatment under the law? All people have the equal right to marry a member of the opposite sex. What gay activists are asking is that we change the law and even further promote open homosexuality in the public arena. I also believe in live and let live but when this involves the idea of marriage and appropriate sexual behavior being recast to make one very small group feel better about something that is not normal or preferable I will oppose them every time.
God gave YOU rules to live by, not US. You can only speak for yourself. I'm sure it warms God's heart to know that you are "willing" to go along with him.
It is false that all societies have rejected homosexuality, if by that word you mean sexual conduct between two members of the same sex.
1) Tokugawa Japan, modern West and ancient Rome/Greece to varying degrees approved of or at least tolerated without persecution gay relationships. Indeed, was it Spartans who actually encouraged fellow soldiers in certain platoons to become lovers and thus bind them more closely in soldiering?
2) In old SE Asia, transexuals(a form of homosexuality? to many on this board it would be) were often the head of local religious cults(I use the word cult without the modern connotations, merely meaning a local religious sect or group that may depend on worship or honoring of a local deity or spirit.) The prevalence of transexuals has continued in modern day Asia, especially in Thailand where it seems to have come down through the ages from that older culture.
Society is composed of individuals living in clusters of more or less densely populated geographical and socio-political arrangements.
There is no "society" apart from large groups of individual human beings. Society is itself an abstraction, though it is a convenient shorthand to describe aggregate trends in behavior or cultural mores.
Lesbians tend to be more monogamus but they also represent (if I remember correctly) only about 9% of all homosexuals. Homosexuality interestingly enough has the same distribution from male to female as most sexual disorders where as men represent the largest portion of such populations.
Well done. The homosexual activists have been trying to keep these truths from the public for a long time.
Forgot to ping the list with my last post...
The promiscuous gay men might SAY they want gay marriage, as a banner to "fight for," but the truth is, none of them would actually want to take on the debts of one of their partners. After the initial boom, those kind of gays will not marry.
Gays and lesbians in long-term committed relationships are as monogamous as heterosexuals, with the gay men being slightly LESS monogamous than straight married men, and lesbians being more monogamous than straight married women.
Your average gay, the one you might see at work tomorrow or on the train and not know he is gay, is much like you and does not have any agenda for ruining your life, values, and conservative institutions. I know some conservative gays who are AGAINST gay marriage.
I used to think that gay marriage would be taking away from thousands of years of civilization. I have changed my mind. It would not. It wouldn't change much at all. There are heteros who certainly trash the institution of marriage all the time, in many different ways, and there are good, solid gay citizens whose unions would remain personal and would allow them to enter the world of decent family values instead of being forced onto the fringe of society, where mores are naturally more loose.
Flame away.
It's normalizing a condition of mental illness, more precisely, an identity crisis that's the problem.
Your examples are my examples. There is no rationalization that can fit homosexuality into the paradigms of physical existence on Earth without treating it as an illness.
I argue this all the time. If an employer has 10 employees, and 5 are married with spousal coverage, what the heck difference would it make materially if the spouse was another guy? None at all. If today that gay man is single and tomorrow he is allowed to marry and get his spouse covered, how is that different from the young lady at the next desk who suddenly gets married?
And don't give me the AIDS thing. Most of the AIDS cases around here are coming from the minority populations and many of them are hetero. Maybe the guys are having bi or jail sex (AIDS is huge in prison), but when they sleep with a girl later, she gets it too. So AIDS may come from anal sex with guys but in these slovenly (criminal and promiscuous) populations they are spreading to both sexes.
Of course they will. Marriage also means taking on your spouse's DEBT. Inheriting his property. It is very serious. If you married and then cheated on the guy, you are setting yourself up for some major hurt. Ask the guy who has an affair with his secretary and loses among other things his house.
What, gays are 5% of the population? Max 10%? And you think they ALL will marry?
You seem to have a mental block.
Heterosexuals don't make Homosexuals go out and have multiple sex partners. If Homosexuals were inclined to have one "partner", they would. Their failure to do so has NOTHING to do with pressure by the heterosexual community.
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Even that is high. Including bisexuals the number is 2.1%. It's a little higher for men and lower for women.
One of these days I'll post an updated copy, but the following link may prove helpful:
Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links
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