BLUE STATES, CANADA SHARE VALUES, WHILE RED STATES REJECT TOLERANCE

Southern Heritage News and Views ^ | November 10, 2004 | Bill Vallante

[Dick Bachert]

Mr Gallagher,

Caught your article on “Shared Values” with Canada. As a “red person” living in a blue state I thought you’d might like to hear how some of us you denigrate feel about your sour grapes article, and your reaction to the election.

Yes, you are quite right. The turn out for George Bush was cultural in nature. Those of us “reds” who turned out and voted for him did it less FOR him, and MORE TO KEEP US FROM HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE LIKES OF YOU.

Now that you are wringing your hands in self-righteous pity and anger, please allow me to address some of the issues you made in your article:

YOU SAID>>>> …America's political soul was in the grip of George W. Bush and the wacky religious right. Protecting the nation from their radical agenda requires our urgent prayers…<<<<.

I SAY: Sorry Mr Gallagher – you can’t do that. You can’t try and force the rest of us to deny the existence of God and then invoke his name when you don’t get your way. He has his own agenda, and if getting your way is part of his plan, then so be it, if not, you’ll just have to live with it.

YOU SAID:>>>>>>The first seven people I spoke with on Black Wednesday said -- separately and independently -- they want to go to Canada. <<<<

I SAY: You mean that liberal whiners are actually going to migrate en masse to Canada? Don’t raise my hopes and then dash them. That is cruel and unusual, even for a liberal.

YOU SAID: >>>>The geopolitics of the election is bloody obvious. The people in the Red States -- in the south and west -- embody and embrace "Christian" virtue and "moral values," and the rest of us -- in the nation's north and on the west coast -- provide a haven for Beelzebub and all evil ideas and creatures great and small<<<<

I SAY: No, that’s not quite it Mr Gallagher. You blue staters are quite entitled to practice whatever little “ism” or “ology” happens to suit you at any given time. What the geopolitics actually say is that you are not free to drag the rest of us down with you.

YOU SAID>>>>>It worked because, in part, the aura of Sept. 11 still lingers and Bush was more than willing to exploit fear for political gain. …….AND…….Forget about the endless bloodshed in Iraq, the continuing threat of al-Qaeda and the record Bush deficits and reckless Republican spending -- the most important issue in our nation is what your consenting gay neighbors do privately and how that corrupts our society. <<<<<<<<<

I SAY: Forget about the fact that all 19 of the September 11th hijackers were illegal aliens. Who are the usual champions for illegal aliens? Let’s see, I think the answer is liberals, right? When are you guys going to FINALLY admit that one of your hair-brained schemes was a bad idea? Oh, and by the way, we aren’t really concerned what gay people do in private. You’re muddying the waters here. We are concerned when they attempt to re-define the institution of marriage. Even the ancient Greeks and Romans, who practiced homosexuality openly and promiscuously, had enough sense to refrain from taking that step.

YOU SAID: >>>>The "moral values" crowd is energized to smash the wall of separation between church and state and use government to advance their creed and impose their will on all of us.<<<

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to sustain ourselves, according to the Ten Commandments of God." -- James Madison.

I believe Mr Madison said it better than I ever could. ‘Nuff said!

YOU SAID: >>>>The three persons of their holy trinity of virtue and values are Bill Bennett, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly -- an obsessive gambler, a dope fiend and a barbaric sexual predator, respectively. But that's OK. They're not gay. <<<<

I SAY: And who is in your hall of fame? Bill Clinton, a sexual predator, adulterer and liar, Jesse Jackson, demagogue, race huckster, tax cheat and adulterer, Al Gore, liar -(“I invented the internet”), Ted "uhhh, I dove and I dove again" Kennedy? I could go on and on, but instead I’ll simply ask you, what’s your point?

YOU SAID: >>>>I have seen the future and what the United Christian Kingdom of Bush (UCKB) looks like, and it's frightening. I spent three years in the early '80s working in Oklahoma, the buckle on the Bible Belt, as the locals are fond of calling the place…..AND….Yes, there are some very nice, friendly, decent people there -- even a few brave progressives like Frosty Troy, the longtime editor of the Oklahoma Observer, a liberal weekly that dares to print the truth and expose the hypocrisy of the right-wing religious fanatics who dominate the state. <<<<

I SAY: Understand something – We are traditionalists, which, by default, means that we don’t care much for progressives. You can go to your own home and be progressive all you want. But progressives don’t usually stop with themselves. They have the answers, they have “the program”, and they don’t stop until everyone else is onboard. Understand, once and for all, we do NOT wish to climb onboard your progressive train. Get on board yourself and take that train to anywhere you want – preferably, somewhere far away from the rest of us.

YOU SAID: >>>>Everywhere you turned in Oklahoma you'd find "in your face" Christians…AND….People would identify their ethnicity as "Christian." <<<<

I SAY: Yes, people in the Bible Belt are unabashedly Christian. And you, as the “progressive” that you are, are free to move to another state, which thankfully, you did. I hope the Motor City and its crime rate leaves you with a warm and gushy feeling. I’d sit on the floor, hold hands with you and sing “kumbaya”, but I’m afraid I’ll get mugged.

YOU SAID: >>>>When my daughter Amy was in the fifth grade, she was the only student in her class who had ever heard of the Holocaust, but they all knew who Oral Roberts was. <<<<

I SAY: Oh, here we go, the Holocaust again. Let me clue you in on something pal. Liberals didn’t discover the holocaust, they only market it. And, for your information, I went to a Catholic High School back in 1968, where the movie “Night and Fog” was shown to all graduating seniors. The movie was actually newsreel footage shot by concentration camp officials themselves. It leaves nothing left to the imagination. The burnt corpses, the piles of bodies, the bulldozers making mass graves, it’s all there. The message that the school hoped to convey to the students was not political in nature. There was no “let’s feel sorry for a poor minority” or any of the liberal bullcrap that pervades our schools today. The message was simple, “when you forget that there is such a thing as right and wrong, when you forget that you are ultimately accountable to God for your actions, this is what you become and this is what you will end up doing.”

YOU SAID: >>>>In Oklahoma, where "moral values" come "sweepin' down the plain," the stench of hatred, intolerance and corruption always hung in the air. It is the perfect prototype for the UCKB. <<<<

I SAY: Yes, intolerance and hate are wonderful. We are even thinking of starting a liberal hunting season. 12 months long and no limits! (You’re not the only one who can practice melodrama you know! LOL!) Speaking of stench, what’s Detroit smell like these days?

YOU SAID: >>>Oklahoma politicians claimed they were doing the "Lord's work" as they ran state institutions for juveniles and the mentally disabled as patronage factories -- providing jobs for family and friends -- where children were beaten, tortured and even murdered. <<<

I SAY: Ah, big mistake on your part. Having worked in such fields myself, and not in Oklahoma by the way, I can attest to the fact that such things exist everywhere. Nice try, but you made the mistake of assuming that those of us in the religious right aren’t “worldly”.

YOU SAID: >>>>The anti-gay crusade was critical in Bush's election and will be a theme the religious right will continue to use to divide people and gain political advantage. Fostering hatred of minorities to control power is a hallmark of totalitarian regimes, and the Red States, as well as some Blue, are flush with this tactic. <<<<

I SAY: More red herrings Mr Gallagher. Minorities have lived for generations in those red states and I don’t remember hearing of any mass migrations of them to blue states to get away from conservatives. The belief that the liberals are the saviors of minorities, (or of anyone for that matter), is a myth, and the sooner minorities realize it, the happier we, and they, will all be.

And, actually, the hallmarks of totalitarian regimes are, control of the media, (name me one conservative newspaper), and control of the public schools – (“Heather has two mommies” – or was it “Heather Has Two Heads”? LOL!). Let’s see, Soviet Russia, Communist China, Cuba.........

YOU SAID: >>>>>I've known many regular churchgoers on the religious right claiming to embrace "family values" as they spew homophobic hate and intolerance, praise war and advocate killing all Muslims in the Middle East. <<<<<

I SAY: Gee Mr Gallagher, I wonder if that has anything to do with 2 destroyed buildings, 4 downed airplanes and 3000 dead Americans? If I were in a middle eastern country, and if a group of Americans bombed a mosque, what would my chances be, do you think, of my getting to the airport in one piece? If I lived in a middle eastern country, would I be free to be a practicing Christian? Would my right to practice as I pleased be protected by the force of law, and the principles of that country’s founding fathers? Those middle easterners living in America and practicing Islam have guaranteed rights to practice their faith in freedom, and under the protection of the law. That right was guaranteed to them by such men from red states as Thomas Jefferson and George Washington – who were, by the way, Christian!

Oh, one more thing – we are “at war”. In war, people get killed. And unless you’re a liberal, you hope that the people who get killed are the enemy, and not your own sons and daughters.

YOU SAID: >>>>Then I have gay friends -- infrequent churchgoers -- who shower people with random acts of generosity and kindness, never utter a hateful word and take seriously the commandment to "love thy neighbor.<<<<

I SAY: Gee, you’re making me cry. (pausing for a moment to wring my hands and sob)

We “reds” don’t believe in random acts of kindness the way you blues do. There is nothing “random” about kindness or, as we like to call it, “being charitable”. It is considered, it is thoughtful, and it is a part of God’s plan for us. Nothing random about it.

YOU SAID: >>>>Bush's stated opposition to abortion appealed to many "moral values" voters, but mark my words, he will make no effort to recriminalize abortion, and his policies have forced more women into poverty and thus driven abortion rates higher. <<<<

I SAY: Of course he won’t recriminalize it. There are too many liberals who say they are part of the same country we are, and they won’t allow it. Besides, poor people have been a part of this country since its inception. Poor does not necessarily equate with being devoid of any moral values. Finding oneself in a position where an abortion is an option to be considered can usually be traced to a lack of self restraint and personal responsibility. A million abortions per year are not the result of a million rapes or cases of incest per year. They are a result of a loss of morality, a loss of personal responsibility, and an abandonment of the recognition of right vs wrong. How does poverty enter into the equation?

YOU SAID: >>>>Within hours of Bush's smirking victory speech, a record-smashing 115,000 Americans visited Canada's immigration Web site, six times more than usual. While it's doubtful many will actually move to Canada, the incident underscores just how alienated and distraught people are about American politics and the future. <<<<

I SAY: 115000 is not nearly enough. If you told me 11,000,000 then I’d say that would be a nice start.

YOU SAID: >>>>I find the air in Houston filthy and stifling, just like the political climate there. Listening to people brag loudly in those horrible Texas twangs is insufferable. In Toronto, I can breathe and the people speak English. <<<<

I SAY: Ummm, what about the air in Detroit? And you'd better enjoy the English that they speak in Toronto. From what I understand it'll soon be arabic. By the way, I don’t think you’d make remarks like that about Texas if you actually were in Texas. Don’t worry though, Detroit is far enough away that I think you’ll be safe.

YOU SAID:>>> In New England we find the seeds of our democratic traditions, Yankee realism, common sense and fiscal sanity. Roger Williams founded Rhode Island as a haven for those fleeing religious persecution. In New York, our great diversity instilled a sense of tolerance and inclusion. The peaceful Quakers founded Pennsylvania, and Maryland was established as a colony for Catholics fleeing persecution. <<<

I SAY: Yes, Roger Williams did found Rhode Island as a haven for those fleeing religious persecution – they were actually fleeing from the WACKOS in MASSACHUSETTS! (Some things never change I guess!) And don’t forget the Salem Witch Trials, “the Gangs of New York”, or the Oneida Experiment! And since when has fiscal sanity ever been a part of any liberal tradition?

YOU SAID: >>>I'm not in any way suggesting secession -- that's treason -- although Bush and his redneck legions cling with rebel arrogance to that symbol of treason and racial oppression, the Confederate flag. <<<

I SAY: Oh Gee, here we go, I was wondering how long it would take you before you got to the Confederate Battle Flag. I won’t argue history with you, you obviously never read a history book. I will remind you however, that since the end of the Civil War, whenever America has found itself in a scrape, it has always been the sons of the red states who have stepped up first to the bar to fight her battles. As conservative columnist Anne Coulter pointed out, it was people from places like the Citadel, and VMI who stepped up, not people from Horace Mann High School. American troops from the South have carried the Confederate Battle Flag into America’s fights from the Spanish American war to the Gulf War and no one said a thing. That seems to have changed since certain forces in the blue states decided to make an issue of it some 15 years ago. I wonder what y’all will do the next time you get into a scrape? Will you fight your own battles or will you call Ghost Busters? Better yet, why don’t you call your kindred spirits in Canada? LOL!!!!! You can throw flowers, or harsh words at the enemy, or anything else you think will work. But don’t call the Red States. They won’t be listening.

YOU SAID: >>>The top 16 states in the nation with the highest average IQs all voted blue, based on measurements in the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" by Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen . <<<

I SAY: There is no standardized test that I am aware of which measures common sense. Were there such a test, I doubt whether many in the “blue states” would be even able to open the testing packet. Common sense is a rare commodity here.

YOU SAID: >>>If people in the Red States could vote on the issue, my guess is that they would overwhelmingly support expelling the Blue States and their moral decadence from the union. The Reds despise Washington, D.C., so we could keep it and they could move their capital to Lubbock, Texas. <<<

I SAY: A reminder – some of us “Reds” once tried to secede. We didn’t like you then and we don’t like you now. As I remember, your “progressive” Mr Lincoln sent a blue clad army 3 times our size to raze our cities, kill our citizens and burn our homes to the ground. That effort cost 600,000+ lives, all to keep us bound to you. Please Mr Gallagher, please secede. We promise we will not invade you, we will not restrain you, we will not attack you. We will simply applaud you, and thank God for your departure.

YOU SAID: >>>My favorite cities in North America are New York, Boston, San Francisco, Chicago, Toronto and Montreal -- places people from the religious right despise. We would have the symbols and substance of their hatred -- everything from Broadway, with all those wonderfully talented gay people, to Montreal, where they speak French. Vive la difference! <<<

I SAY: Well, Oooooh, la-la if I don't say so myself! LOL! “Vive La Difference”? That could be construed as an anti-gay statement, though I’m sure you didn’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings…..

YOU SAID: >>>We would survive the exile and pray for the liberation of the UCKB, toasting them by cracking open bottles of that superb Canadian beer so aptly named Labatt Blue. <<<

I SAY: The fact that you prefer Labatt Blue over Molson Ale says something about your lack of taste. We, however, will toast your departure by opening up a bottle of Kentucky Bourbon!

YEEEEEHHHHAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!

Bill Vallante

Commack NY

Sons of Confederate Veterans Camp 1506 (Proud Associate Member)

[Dick Bachert]

A LONG -- but fascinating and highly entertaining -- rebuttal to an (COMBINED REDUNDANCY/OXYMORON ALERT!!!) introlerant liberal swine by a southerner.

Wish I'd written it.

[Brilliant]

The Red States "reject tolerance." Therefore, the Blue States will secede...

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

and the rest of us -- in the nation's north and on the west coast -- provide a haven for Beelzebub and all evil ideas and creatures great and small

Admitting the true scope and nature of your problem is the first, essential step to overcoming said problem. :)

[cripplecreek]

Blue states my butt.

Red states with blue cities sucking our lifeblood like leeches.

[Rippin]

ON the question of the IQs of those in the Red States, I guess the question that comes to my mind is "Why would all those people with high IQs in the Blue States vote for the candidate with the lower IQ?"

When it was estimated that Bush had a higher IQ than did Kerry, the Blues were shocked. Maybe it takes one to know one.

[N8VTXNinWV]

Personally, I think I've "tolerated" enough of their (Canada & Blue state) crap.

My .02....

[TXBSAFH]

"Tolerance" of wrong is not tolerance at all, it is enabling sin and injustice.

[right way right]

Sing it brother!

I live in Washington state.

By the way its looking like we may have our first Republican Governor in 20 years.

Votes still being counted.

[xkaydet65]

And I'm pleased to say, a fellow Long Islander.

[buffyt]

Funny that they think Christians are so evil. And at Freerepublic we have Christians, agnostics, atheists, Jewish people, Catholics, Baptists, people who live by the Bible, people who don't own a Bible, people who go to church all the time, people who never do.... I have met a lot of Freepers and I was surprised at the diversity here. I found the same thing while working in the Republican party during the election. We are as diverse a group as they come. The BLUES just don't get it. Never have, never will. Personally, I don't mind if any Christian wishes to pray for me. I am also a Christian. All prayers are welcome. I don't find them threatening.

[buffyt]

The Blue states may have a problem seceding since if you look at NY, only NYC went blue, the rest of the state is Red. And same with Calif. and Penn., take away the major urban areas and those states are also Red.

[JasonC]

Yep, we reject tolerance, we will not tolerate you, Canada will - so leave already.

[longtermmemmory]

You may have hit the nail with your last comment.

Since the Democrats are in the minority across the board, they will be LESS able to bring back the pork for various city projects without republican approval.

IOW in the blue cities, no pork (free stuff) no votes.

[gnarledmaw]

"BLUE STATES, CANADA SHARE VALUES"

Pro-voter fraud?

Mr Gallaghers fixation on "gay rights" sounds to me like maybe hes too close to the subject.

[Dick Bachert]

Thomas Jefferson shared your views on this, to wit:

"The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIX, 1782. ME 2:230


I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. Papers 12:442

"I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173

"Our cities... exhibit specimens of London only; our country is a different nation." --Thomas Jefferson to Andre de Daschkoff, 1809. ME 12:304

"Everyone, by his property or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs and a degree of freedom which, in the hands of the canaille of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:401

"An insurrection... of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth... has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:402

"I fear nothing for our liberty from the assaults of force; but I have seen and felt much, and fear more from English books, English prejudices, English manners, and the apes, the dupes, and designs among our professional crafts. When I look around me for security against these seductions, I find it in the wide spread of our agricultural citizens, in their unsophisticated minds, their independence and their power, if called on, to crush the Humists of our cities, and to maintain the principles which severed us from England." --Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:120

[wtc911]

Seventy-seven percent (77%) of Bush's PV margin of victory came from NYS' 2,800,000 supporting votes. The same number, 2,800,000, Texans voted for Kerry. This Blue State - Red State stuff is childish, inaccurate and divisive...exactly what some elements on both the right and the left want. We should bury it.

[traderrob6]

sKerry only won two groups....high school dropouts and those with post graduate degrees, go figure

[Cultural Jihad]

The so-called 'tolerance' of the Blue States does not include any toleration for reading from Scriptures - as evidenced by Canada's criminalizing of any speech which calls evil deeds evil.

To tolerate evil makes one just as guilty as the doer of evil. It is evil to tolerate evil.

[RebelBanker]

I have read about that supposed "IQ" test. It measures intelligence in terms of school spending per pupil and other such liberal nonsense. That so-called study belongs on the dumper with the Lovenstein Institute.

Deo Vindice!

[Camachee]

I love the way the Libs try to beat us up with this "intolerance" thing. They just don't get hate the sin, but love the sinner.