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As Fast as Blogs See Vote Fraud, Web Is Proving Rumors Wrong [fact checking sinks the loons]
New York Times ^ | Nov 12, 2004 | TOM ZELLER Jr.

Posted on 11/11/2004 7:46:43 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

The e-mail messages and Web postings had all the twitchy cloak-and-dagger thrust of a Hollywood blockbuster. "Evidence mounts that the vote may have been hacked," trumpeted a headline on the Web site CommonDreams.org. "Fraud took place in the 2004 election through electronic voting machines," declared BlackBoxVoting.org.

In the space of seven days, an online market of dark ideas surrounding last week's presidential election took root and multiplied.

But while the widely read universe of Web logs was often blamed for the swift propagation of faulty analyses, the blogosphere, as it has come to be known, also accelerated the resolution of questions that, in an earlier age, might have lingered and fed conspiracy theories for years. Within days of the first rumors of a stolen election, in fact, the most popular theories were being proved wrong - though many were still reluctant to let them go.

Much of the controversy, called Votergate 2004 by some, involved very real voting anomalies in Florida and Ohio, the two states on which victory hinged. But ground zero in the online rumor mill, it seems, was Utah. "I love the process of democracy, and I think it's more important than the outcome," said Kathy Dopp, an Internet enthusiast living near Salt Lake City. It was Ms. Dopp's analysis of the vote in Florida (she has a master's degree in mathematics) that set off a flurry of post-election theorizing by disheartened Democrats who were certain, given early surveys of voters leaving the polls that were leaked, showing Senator John Kerry winning handily, that something was amiss.

The day after the election, Ms. Dopp posted to her Web site, www.ustogether.org, a table comparing party registrations in each of Florida's 67 counties, the method of voting used and the number of votes cast for each presidential candidate. Ms. Dopp, along with other statisticians contributing to the site, suggested a "surprising pattern" in Florida's results showing inexplicable gains for President Bush in Democratic counties that used optical-scan voting systems.

The zeal and sophistication of Ms. Dopp's number crunching was hard to dismiss out of hand, and other Web users began creating their own bar charts and regression models in support of other theories. In a breathless cycle of hey-check-this-out, the theories - along with their visual aids - were distributed by e-mail messages containing links to popular Web sites and Web logs, or blogs, where other eager readers diligently passed them along.

Within one day, the number of visits to Ms. Dopp's site jumped from 50 to more than 500, according to site logs. On Nov. 4, that number tipped 17,000. Her findings were noted on popular left-wing Web logs like DailyKos.com and FreePress.org. Last Friday, three Democratic members of Congress - John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, Jerrold Nadler of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida - sent a letter to the Government Accountability Office seeking an investigation of voting machines. A link to Ms. Dopp's site was included in the letter.

But rebuttals to the Florida fraud hypothesis were just as quick. Three political scientists, from Cornell, Harvard and Stanford, pointed out, in an e-mail message to a Web site that carried the news of Ms. Dopp's findings, that many of those Democratic counties in Florida have a long tradition of voting Republican in presidential elections. And while Ms. Dopp says that she and dozens of other researchers will continue to analyze the Florida vote, the suggestion of a link between certain types of voting machines and the vote split in Florida has, at least for now, little concrete support.

Still, as visitors to Ms. Dopp's site approached 70,000 early this week, other election anomalies were gaining traction on the Internet. The elections department in Cleveland, for instance, set off a round of Web log hysteria when it posted turnout figures on its site that seemed to show more votes being cast in some communities than there were registered voters. That turned out to be an error in how the votes were reported by the department, not in the counting.

And the early Election Day polls, conducted for a consortium of television networks and The Associated Press, which proved largely inaccurate in showing Mr. Kerry leading in Florida and Ohio, continued to be offered as evidence that the Bush team somehow cheated.

But while authorities acknowledge that there were real problems on Election Day, including troubles with some electronic machines and intolerably long lines in some places, few have suggested that any of these could have changed the outcome.

"There are real problems to be addressed," said Doug Chapin of Electionline.org, a nonpartisan clearinghouse of election reform information, "and I'd hate for them to get lost in second-guessing of the result."

It is that second-guessing, however, that has largely characterized the blog-to-e-mail-to-blog continuum. Some election officials have become frustrated by the rumor mill.

"It becomes a snowball of hearsay," said Matthew Damschroder, the director of elections in Columbus, Ohio, where an electronic voting machine malfunctioned in one precinct and allotted some 4,000 votes to President Bush, kicking off its own flurry of Web speculation. That particular problem was unusual and remains unexplained, but it was caught and corrected, Mr. Damschroder said.

"Some from the traditional media have called for an explanation," he said, "but no one from these blogs has called and said, 'We want to know what really happened.' "

Whether that is the role of bloggers, Web posters and online pundits, however, is a matter of debate.

Clay Shirky, an adjunct professor in the interactive telecommunications program at New York University, suggests that the online fact-finding machine has come unmoored, and that some bloggers simply "can't imagine any universe in which a fair count of the votes would result in George Bush being re-elected president."

But some denizens of the Web see it differently.

Jake White, the owner of the Web log primordium.org, argues that he and other election-monitoring Web posters are not motivated solely by partisan politics. "While there are no doubt large segments of this movement that are being driven by that," he said in an e-mail message, "I prefer to think of it as discontent over the way the election was held."

Mr. White also quickly withdrew his own analysis of voting systems in Ohio when he realized the data he had used was inaccurate.

John Byrne, editor of an alternative news site, BlueLemur.com, says it is too easy to condemn blogs and freelance Web sites for being inaccurate. The more important point, he said, is that they offer an alternative to a mainstream news media that has become too timid. "Of course you can say blogs are wrong," he said. "Blogs are wrong all the time."

For its part, the Kerry campaign has been trying to tamp down the conspiracy theories and to tell supporters that their mission now is to ensure that every vote is counted, not that the election be overturned.

"We know this was an emotional election, and the losing side is very upset," said Daniel Hoffheimer, the lead lawyer for the Kerry campaign in Ohio. But, he said, "I have not seen anything to indicate intentional fraud or tampering."

A preliminary study produced by the Voting Technology Project, a cooperative effort between the California Institute of Technology and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, came to a similar conclusion. Its study found "no particular patterns" relating to voting systems and the final results of the election.

"The 'facts' that are being circulated on the Internet," the study concluded, "appear to be selectively chosen to make the point."

Whether that will ever convince everyone is an open question.

"I'd give my right arm for Internet rumors of a stolen election to be true," said David Wade, a spokesman for the Kerry campaign, "but blogging it doesn't make it so. We can change the future; we can't rewrite the past."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 11/11/2004 7:46:44 PM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

Im impressed! Its not even an Op-Ed.. Im shocked NYT would take our side.


2 posted on 11/11/2004 7:48:42 PM PST by BigRedState
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To: Mike Fieschko

Amazing.

Leftists on the internet spread lies.

So what does the MSM do? Use their fellow leftists' lies to discredit all information sources on the internet...


3 posted on 11/11/2004 7:48:58 PM PST by swilhelm73 (I voted for Bush. You're welcome.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Slimes trying to appease conservatives as subscriptions fall through the fall??


4 posted on 11/11/2004 7:50:07 PM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Mike Fieschko

I was kinda hoping this nonsense would keep going, let the loony left be occupied with it for the next 4 years.


5 posted on 11/11/2004 7:53:41 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: BigRedState
The NY Times is doing this in order to attack blogs and the Internet, which they see as competition.
6 posted on 11/11/2004 7:55:49 PM PST by Ticonderoga34
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To: God luvs America

If you've been to DU, they are going nuts. They are saying that the dems are just saying they don't expect the outcome to change so that they catch us off guard when they reveal the fraud and contest the election. I have to quit reading their post, they are insane. They really believe this whole hartedly and believe the dems are on to something and the truth will show Kerry won. Amazing


7 posted on 11/11/2004 7:56:09 PM PST by wmomof4
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To: Mike Fieschko

Y'know...the Dem muckies are being real...too... gentlemanly about this thing. That makes me wonder if they want the whole thing forgotten before investigators uncover some of the actual tampering successes and /or attempts they made.


8 posted on 11/11/2004 7:56:10 PM PST by dasboot
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To: wmomof4

It is funny to read their ravings. Just hope they keep it up, it makes them look stupid, and the more they make it seem like they are a legitimate voice of the DNC, the better it is for us!


9 posted on 11/11/2004 7:58:20 PM PST by bigbob (2)
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To: Mike Fieschko

The NYT being straight...no no...there must be some mistake...someone musta screwed up and let this one slip through!


10 posted on 11/11/2004 8:00:42 PM PST by Edgerunner (The left ain't right. Hand me that launch pickle...)
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To: Pikamax
I was kinda hoping this nonsense would keep going

No one ever went broke underestimating the Left's lunacy. Why do you think there are all those stories about New York psychiatrists?
11 posted on 11/11/2004 8:01:01 PM PST by Mike Fieschko ("A ‘q’ should always be followed by a ‘u’. I don’t make the rules, Iraq, but I will enforce them.")
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To: swilhelm73

And the leftists' lies are so outrageous, even the MSM is unable to swallow them.


12 posted on 11/11/2004 8:07:39 PM PST by My2Cents (The Democrat Party is pining for the fjords.)
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To: Mike Fieschko
THE BIG STORY:

Old media is using leftist loony blogs to discredit ALL blogs, including those conservative ones that embarrassed the MSM this year.
13 posted on 11/11/2004 8:08:52 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Mike Fieschko
"...says it is too easy to condemn blogs and freelance Web sites for being inaccurate."

Tell it to Dan "False But Accurate" Rather.

14 posted on 11/11/2004 8:09:19 PM PST by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: Mike Fieschko

The NYT and Kerry Folks are trying to stop this madness before the real truth is uncovered. The truth is ugly for them.


15 posted on 11/11/2004 8:19:56 PM PST by whereasandsoforth (Second Amendment Spoken Here)
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To: wmomof4
If you've been to DU, they are going nuts. They are saying that the dems are just saying they don't expect the outcome to change so that they catch us off guard when they reveal the fraud and contest the election.

As if our side would trust them farther than we could throw a mack truck after what they tried to pull in 2000. I'm sure W and the gop have their people on it to make sure they don't "discover" votes to "flip" the state.

16 posted on 11/11/2004 8:20:07 PM PST by gop_gene
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To: BigRedState

The last thing the NYT wants is the investigation of voter fraud. It'd be like Al Capone wanting an investigation of someone stealing from him.


17 posted on 11/11/2004 8:22:13 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: wmomof4

desperate people resort to desperate measures.


18 posted on 11/11/2004 8:23:25 PM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Mike Fieschko

They think they have discovered their own "buckhead." For them, it begins with an "F."


19 posted on 11/11/2004 8:27:00 PM PST by doug from upland (Vietnam Vets: FINALLY -- welcome home, heroes)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Wow!! If you go to the NY Times site they have a graphic showing that this year there were 30 dem counties that went to Bush and 1 GOP county that went to Kerry - this is what has Olbermann's panties in a bunch....

But the Times points out that this is consistent with '00 when 35 dem counties actually went for Bush compared to 4 GOP counties for Gore and similar to '96 as well...

I am amazed at how irresponsible Keith Olbermann is. It's all his fault - this whole thing would have died if that fool hadn't used the Florida dem counties as 'proof' of fraud... All he had to do was look at 2000... Unbelievable... Now he has the hard left thinking they were robbed, which they weren't... Nice job, keith you F'n a-hole.


20 posted on 11/11/2004 8:35:08 PM PST by Gustafm1000
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