For the First Time Since Vietnam, the Army Prints a Guide to Fighting Insurgents

NY Times ^ | November 13, 2004 | DOUGLAS JEHL and THOM SHANKER

[SquirrelKing]

I'd like a copy! I have this cockroach problem in my shed, you see..

[rocksblues]

Wow! The Slimes were a major contributor to our pulling out of Viet Nam now they are saying that it's about time our troops understand how to fight?

I am shocked!

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[dr_who_2]

Sounds good, but I hope the academic types and the bureaucrats who would get their ideas from the newspaper editorials aren't the ones writing the book.

[Ginifer]

Subliminal messages again from the NY times...mentions Vietnam and comparing it to Iraq. What these people cannot understand is that this is a different war, different place, and a different time. No two wars are ever the same.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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1st Air Cavalry Division's 1st days in Vietnam-1965

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm
(Photos)

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[x1stcav]

This whole artical is a leftist anti-war zealot's wet dream.

I scoff!

[Sola Veritas]

I can summarize how to deal with insurgents based on a Vietnam era saying:

"Kill them all and let God sort them out!"

[FarRight100]

1) Find Terrorist
2) Kill or Tape Terrorists Head with Black Tape

[Sola Veritas]

"No two wars are ever the same."

The only similarity is that the enemy, in both cases, are fanatics that are perfectly willing to die for their "cause." I'm not a warmonger, but I advocate granting them their wish to die!

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

Tactics may differ but the aspects of intimidation, disinformation, feints, destruction of the enemy's will to fight and his ability to fight always stays the same...

That's why the enemy has been breaking down our will starting at age 5 in our NEA-run Marxist schools for decades...and now we have pro-Islamic dress-up days, etc....

[dts32041]

Do search you a search for the FM via google and you will find it.

Started reading and guess what I have read parts of this before.

Would have recognized it but the MOS for MP's was changed last year, and thus their manual designations have been changed.

Otherwise I would have recognized it as part of as part of the MP Manual on stability operations.

BTW the bibliography is interesting.

[JustAnotherOkie]

The dem's are turning into insurgents, we can use it against them.

[neverdem]

LOL!

[general_re]

I'd like a copy!

Here ya go ;) (2.9 MB PDF file)

[bin2baghdad]

Distribution limited to DoD.

[Voice in your head]

I don't understand this:

"The Army field manual on counterinsurgency operations is the first since the early Vietnam era, and the first ever intended for the kind of regular Army units now embroiled in battles in Iraq, as opposed to the Special Operations forces who have taken the lead in previous counterinsurgencies."

"We needed to update the counterinsurgency doctrine," General Wallace said in an interview in late summer, as the document's authors were putting on the finishing touches. "That hadn't been looked at since the post-Vietnam era."

If that is true, then how should we categorize FM 90-6 Counterguerilla Operations? That was published in 1986. And it is a good read.

[Alien Gunfighter]

Thanks! Bump for later download on a faster connection.