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Pat Tilman
El Mundo ^ | 11/12/04 | angelanddevil2

Posted on 11/13/2004, 6:36:32 AM by angelanddevil2

The link I provided is to a Spanish newspaper. I put it there in case some of you speaks Spanish. The article, after making fools of the Hollyweirds, specially Cameron Diaz, talks about Pat Tilman. It was the first time I heard that name. Maybe you know about him. He played in the Arizona Cardinals football team for $4 millions a year. In October 2001, one month after the attacks, he enlisted in the Rangers for $20,000 a year. He died last summer in Afganistan. The American Football League honored him in the Veterans Day. I was impressed about this story. The article said that the sports world supported Bush massively, although it was kind of silented by the media as much as possible. This author said that it was no coincidence; it was due to the sense of team, of responsibility and of personal sacrifice inherent to the sportsmen and women, which are in line with the values of most americans. Whereas for the Hollyweird the big issues are always directly linked to themselves: the control of their bodies (specially the one of Cameron Diaz, haha), the sales of their movies, and the imaginary chase of which they are victims.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: sports; tilman

1 posted on 11/13/2004, 6:36:32 AM by angelanddevil2
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“ El ridículo clamoroso de los narcisos y otros “poseurs” de la industria del entretenimiento -los Bruce Springsteen, Michael Moore, Ben Affleck– no debe ocultar la cultura que representan ”

Could you translate this? Sounds like I agree...
3 posted on 11/13/2004, 6:54:52 AM by Welsh Rabbit
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To: ZellsBells

Those automatic translations always turn out nonsense.


4 posted on 11/13/2004, 6:55:47 AM by angelanddevil2
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To: Welsh Rabbit

LOL! Me too...


5 posted on 11/13/2004, 6:57:26 AM by cgk (The Left was beaten by Pres Bush twice & will never have another shot at him... who's dumb?)
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To: Welsh Rabbit

The clamorous stupidity from the self-absorbed and other members of the entertainment industry--Bruce "El Jefe" Springsteen, Michael "Burrito Demasiado Grande" Moore, and Ben "Sin Talento" Affleck--should not shroud the culture that they represent.

The article starts out by saying Cameron Diaz should win an award for brain-dead stupidity for her political analysis of the upcoming election, when she said that if George W. Bush were re-elected, women would no longer have control of their own bodies. Diaz is probably hopping the first flight to Riyahd, Saudia Arabia right now.

Values like a sense of responsibility, looking out for each other, personal sacrifice, effort and competition are very much part of the spiritual fabric of the United States of America.

Pretty good read. This will be widely mocked and decried in the Spanish-speaking world, I'm afraid.


6 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:07:12 AM by Choose Ye This Day (New DNC political slogan to win back red states: "Vote for us, you stupid morons!")
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To: angelanddevil2
Hay muchos Pat Tilman en América --y fuera de ella- que están orgullosos del Presidente. Tilman, a quien la Liga Nacional de Fútbol rindió homenaje el Día de los Veteranos, 11 de noviembre, pertenece a la historia. Exactamente en el mismo capítulo donde está George W. Bush.

There are many great lines in this article. I don't think you need to know a lot of Spanish to read the last one. Throughout the article the author ridicules the self-absorbed Hollywood types who relate everything to their own personal feelings and traumas whereas the majority of Americans react as members of a team in a post 9/11 world.

7 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:08:34 AM by DeFault User
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To: angelanddevil2
That's a great article, thanks for linking it. He states that the values that led Tillman to the ultimate sacrifice are the values that triumphed on November 2nd. I think there's a lot to that.
 
Encantada!

8 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:11:04 AM by AnnaZ ("Oh sweet domination.")
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To: Welsh Rabbit
Those automatic translations always turn out nonsense.

OK, I'll bite.

El ridículo clamoroso de los narcisos y otros “poseurs” de la industria del entretenimiento -los Bruce Springsteen, Michael Moore, Ben Affleck– no debe ocultar la cultura que representan

Is translated by Lycos as:

'The clamorous ridiculous situation of the narcissuses and others "poseurs" of the industry of the entertainment - Bruce Springsteen, Michael Moore, Horseradish tree Affleck- do not have to hide the culture that represents'

I'm not sure what the original was trying to say, but I think that I will like this version better.

9 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:14:12 AM by talosiv
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There are many Pat Tilmans in America--and elsewhere--that are proud of the President. Tilman, who was honored by the NFL on Veteran's Day, belongs now to history. He belongs in exactly the same chapter where George W. Bush will be.

That's a pretty rough translation.

10 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:15:06 AM by Choose Ye This Day (New DNC political slogan to win back red states: "Vote for us, you stupid morons!")
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Oops. It should be "The clamorous ridicule". My bad.


11 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:16:12 AM by Choose Ye This Day (New DNC political slogan to win back red states: "Vote for us, you stupid morons!")
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To: Welsh Rabbit

“ El ridículo clamoroso de los narcisos y otros “poseurs” de la industria del entretenimiento -los Bruce Springsteen, Michael Moore, Ben Affleck– no debe ocultar la cultura que representan ”

The great absurdity of the narcissits and other "poseurs" (that's french) of the enterteinment industry - the Bruce Springsteen, Michael Moore, Ben Affleck– shouldn't hide the culture they represent.

Well, sort of. Although "absurdity" is more of a positive word than "ridiculo". But "ridiculous" in English is a an adjective not a noun.


12 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:16:14 AM by angelanddevil2
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To: talosiv
"Horseradish tree Affleck".

ROFL!

13 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:17:59 AM by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: angelanddevil2
"poseurs" (that's french)

I definitely understood that part...
14 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:24:15 AM by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Welsh Rabbit
"El ridículo clamoroso de los narcisos y otros “poseurs” de la industria del entretenimiento -los Bruce Springsteen, Michael Moore, Ben Affleck– no debe ocultar la cultura que representan ”

What it sounds like: "The ridiculous clamor of the narcissists and other `poseurs' of the entertainment industry -- the Bruce Springsteens, Michael Moores, Ben Afflecks -- cannot hide the culture that they represent."

Sounds like Sancho the Great reacting to Al Mansor. Maybe there is hope in Espana.

15 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:25:50 AM by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: angelanddevil2

"Those automatic translations always turn out nonsense."

It's a good thing my life didn't depend to that translation.


16 posted on 11/13/2004, 7:47:59 AM by Oreo Kookey (How, indeed, do we click our tongues at beheadings and look the other way from abortion? I weep.)
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To: angelanddevil2

We should inform Cameron Diaz that Republican Country is going to take the issue of making rape legal the central platform of the Bush administrations. Idiots.


17 posted on 11/13/2004, 8:17:46 AM by putupjob
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To: Choose Ye This Day

'Ben "Sin Talento" Affleck'

ROFLMAO, muy bien!


18 posted on 11/13/2004, 9:13:46 AM by jocon307 (Maintain the mandate!)
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To: angelanddevil2

For those who care about such things: his name is Tillman.


19 posted on 11/13/2004, 10:32:59 AM by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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