Posted on 11/13/2004 10:51:31 AM PST by churchillbuff
Edited on 11/13/2004 11:52:36 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
The deluge of teeth-gnashing, hair-pulling grief-tormented hysteria washing over every liberal media outlet in the Milky Way Galaxy has reached a high-water mark with space-patrol talk about secession – as in the Kerry-voting "blue" states actually seceding from the United States. Here's Geraldine Ferraro fomenting on Fox's "Hannity & Colmes" Nov. 6:
You know what? Just let me make one point. You were talking about the map before. If indeed all those blue states all got together and seceded from the union, think what would be left for those red states, nothing. There would be no educational system. You would have nothing. What would be left to you? I mean, where is all of this talent in this country? It's on both sides, the Northeast corridor.
We can shake our heads in laughable wonder at this and gloat about BDDs – Brain Dead Democrats. But their maniacally empty threat is a gift, as it creates a marvelous "teachable moment" whereby the LibDems can learn a lesson about their moral values.
Recall that it was Democrats who seceded the last time from America, in 1861. They were in full righteous fury defending the morality of slavery. Throughout the Confederate States, slavery was known as "the peculiar institution," with the moral right to own human beings as personal property unquestioned and believed in with fanatical zeal. Just like abortion in the blue states today.
Shocked that "moral values" was the issue that defeated them and re-elected President Bush, the LibDems are bleating on every airwave they can ride that they have moral values, too. Yes, they certainly do – it's just that some of those values are immoral, but not all. Confederate Southerners held many decent values – but on slavery they were morally wrong. No relativistic morals here, no "that's just your opinion" situational ethics, no wiggles, hesitations or qualifiers. Slavery is immoral, period – even the LibDems agree.
Thus the teachable moment – for abortion is morally no different than slavery, the claim that one human being may own another as personal property to be disposed of if the owner so chooses.
Thus we need to refer to abortion as "the peculiar institution," and Roe v. Wade as disgracefully unconstitutional as Dred Scott. Watch for this to happen. Watch for abortion advocates to be increasingly on the defensive as they are made to understand the moral equivalence between abortion and slavery.
This is a struggle that is going to get a lot uglier before it gets better. It will not, however, lead to any sort of secession or civil war. It requires no violence, just relentless repetition of this moral equivalence, as it finally begins to dawn on liberals that history will come to view advocacy of abortion as morally repugnant as advocacy of slavery.
Conservatives are on the verge of seizing the high ground of history on abortion. Arlen Specter -- Arrogant Arlen -- is groveling before them. Clarence Thomas will be the next chief justice. More and more politicians will see it safe to jump on the abortion=slavery bandwagon. Soon, the blood seeping from a wounded Roe v. Wade will be in the water, the feeding frenzy will be on and the constitutionally non-existent "right to privacy" chewed to shreds. The day is not that far off when school kids will be asking their history teacher puzzled questions as to how there was a time in America when people passionately defended the morality of a mother killing her own baby.
The dark chapter of America's peculiar institution of abortion is coming to an end.
Geraldine Ferraro said this?
Amazing! And RIGHT on the money!
Well, MA is all blue. They can go.
Evidently all you know about her is that she ran for VP on the democrat ticket. That is not a reason to hate her, you sound like a liberal democrat spewing hate. She certainly spoke the truth in this article.
I've been called many things, but never "a liberal democrat spewing hate". Sheesh.
WHY???
All pro-lifers should be thanksful for the Sonogram. That disproved the theory that an unborn baby was just a mass of tissue. As a result of that (and slowly growing church attendence), support for abortion is gradually fading.
Thing is, the only way to defeat legal abortion is to slowly chip away at it. Partial birth abortion was the ideal place to start. Criminal statutes against killing both pregnant women and their unborn children is another. It's gonna take patience and fortitude to win this, but things are now heading in the pro-life direction.
Just the part between "You know what?" and "corridor".
Neither side has enough votes for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution. So the best, the very best, that would happen would be that the USSC decides it's none of their business and returns the issue to the states (where it was prior to 1973).
Wheeler wrote the article, and just quoted Ferraro in part of the second paragraph.
Even if that happens, it is likely that half the states will continue to allow abortion, with some restrictions.
The good news is that citizens will get to decide the issue, not judges.
Geraldine Anne Ferraro
Resumé:
Vice Presidential candidate on the losing side of one of the biggest landslides in electoral history - a whopping 13 electoral votes. Worse than Carter '80. Go Gerri.
Reagan on Ferraro [paraphrasing]:
"I have no problem with women holding office but frankly there were much more electable women in 1984 then her."
In other words, no one cares what Geraldine Ferraro has to say. You are a silly, silly person, Gerri.
I wish it was so, I think you are being a tad bit optimistic.
This struggle will only be resolved and won by blood in the streets and political blood letting
That's not a threat to anyone, but mark my words.
Actually the Whigs in the southern states were the more die-hard secessionists. Stonewall Jackson, PGT Beauregard and JEB Stuart were all staunch in the southern nationalist movement before secession saw light of day. Lee on the other hand, was a Democrat and a reluctant secessionist who only went with the south because that's the way Virginia went.
OUCH! A Reagan burn!
The liberal mind does not comprehend such things.
Thanks for the info - really. But you were directing this to me because...
Nah. Overturning Roe V. Wade can be done by the Supreme Court. Whether it will or not is another question.
Did you read what she wrote?
If indeed all those blue states all got together and seceded from the union, think what would be left for those red states, nothing. There would be no educational system. You would have nothing.
You call that the truth? Most of the article is the author's response to Ferraro's comments (though it is formatted badly here).
The manner in which you formatted Jack Wheeler's article makes it appear that all of the text after the colon (:) was spoken by Geraldine Ferraro.
The only portion that Ferraro said was:
"You know what? Just let me make one point. You were talking about the map before. If indeed all those blue states all got together and seceded from the union, think what would be left for those red states, nothing. There would be no educational system. You would have nothing. What would be left to you? I mean, where is all of this talent in this country? It's on both sides, the Northeast corridor."
The remainder of the article was Wheeler.
You have to learn how to post correctly!
i agree that abortion is on its way out. let's not let sancioned homosexuality take its place.
"You know what? Just let me make one point. You were talking about the map before. If indeed all those blue states all got together and seceded from the union, think what would be left for those red states, nothing. There would be no educational system. You would have nothing. What would be left to you? I mean, where is all of this talent in this country? It's on both sides, the Northeast corridor."
She has got to stop drinking the Kool-Aid straight from the package. She's an educated women, she cannot possible actually think what she said is true.
I agree they can, I'm talking about what happens after they do, if they do.
The states will have a big mess on their hands. After all, it will become a states issue.
Do you really think liberals in some deep blue cities will not riot when this happens?
So what if they do? They can seek to convince voters that abortion should be allowed. About half the states will, I believe, decide that abortion will be legal.
That's much better than the situation we have now.
Pio here in FAGOCHUSETTS....calling in artillery on my own position.
Remember Folks when Rudy G. attempts to take the stage. He will never get my vote, nor MILLIONS in the Red States for whom this will always be a litmus test.
You can't ask this of judges, but you have to answer this to voters. For further info, please read Psalm 139.
What is needed is for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade and not outlaw abortion, but simply return the power to the states, where it belongs. Then, we can finally have the debates the Supreme Court silenced with the Roe V. Wade decision. Abortion can't stand up to an open discussion. You simply need to see the results of a late term abortion and you know it's wrong. Once you have accepted a late term abortion is wrong it is impossible to find a point at which it is acceptable.
I have always been certain of this but there will be a heavy price to pay. I have a vague future projection of a time when for some cataclysmic reason birth rates are so low and human life so tenuous, that the act of aborting a child is suicidal to a vanishing human race. Only then will abortion be outlawed for centuries.
Okay sort of dramatic but there it is.
I am afraid there will have to be a chastisement from God before people of the NARAL mentality can be dislodged from their obsession with abortion.
Im thinking.. you know maybe secession of those NE states, New York and California might not be a bad idea. And we could charge them one god awful toll when they wanted to cross back and forth.
correction,,, a womans right to abortion ,,,, is not in the constitution.
Baby-butchering has no defense, only defenders...
"If Roe is overturned, you'll see a switch."
Agreed. No laws will ever stop abortion. Anyone who wants one will always be able to obtain one. Would be a boon for the democrat party.
And to the rest of you, hope you don't mind me pinging you, I'm not ping happy so I promise not to make a habit of it, but in light of the discussion we were all a part of earlier, I thought you might find it a good read too.
BTTT
(((PING)))
"Geraldine Ferraro said this? Amazing and right on the money"
No, Geraldine only said what was included in the early indented paragraph. Jack Wheeler wrote all the rest.
Don't you think the Peterson verdict 2nd degree murder on his unborn son may set a precedent we can refer to in arguments against abortion?
It does not matter. There are tons of Republicans who support choice within reason (e.g. within the first half of a pregnancy) and who would be adamantly opposed to outlawing abortion altogether. Most of the Republicans I know are like this, actually.
As long as the Republicans continue to need to pander to pro-choice demographics even within their own party (never mind the moderates), the pro-life position is never going to be a platform. They do not give a crap about your litmus test vote if they can pick up three times your number in the middle. And there is no evidence that this will ever change as a practical matter. Fight the fight, but don't expect anyone to care.
Isn't it obvious? The little blue counties would have to take the whole state with them in any support of a secession movement. They would have a definate problem in some places.
DISAGREED. Hope you're not resigned to this being an unwinnable issue for the Pro-Lifers. If Roe is overturned, future elections may or may not see major political party shifts...we have seen the polarization already....Bush WON....future voting behavior largely depends on how well the Pro-Life side does with getting free/low-cost sonograms available to Jr. High and older girls...how successful are the increasing efforts to thwart advocacy of homosexual marriage, multiculturalism, infanticide, evolution and Marxism in school textbooks (GO, TEXAS! GO LOUISIANA!)....and how successful are the voters in demanding objective coverage of school performance and teaching of the true historical horrors of Marxism/Socialism....
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