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NY Times ^ | November 13, 2004 | NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 11/13/2004 2:34:57 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem
This guy is nutz.... This is further evidence that the blue states and their allies are totally clueless about gun control facts, true health issues, mental health issues, crime and self-defense.

Until they observe, listen and get educated about "our side" ...they will continue to push their agenda. They are so ignorant,they actually think that we are the ones who need education....as if they could possibly take a different route to reach their goal--and get *us* to get as brainwashed as them. HA! Good thing we think, read, and listen. sigh

51 posted on 11/13/2004 3:03:10 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: JessieHelmsJr
What about baseball bats and knives do we have enough

counselors for those who use them? Poor rats they seem

desperate.
52 posted on 11/13/2004 3:03:37 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: neverdem
"You can tell whether a camera is loaded by looking at it, and you should be able to tell whether a gun is loaded by looking at it," said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Professor Hemenway has written "Private Guns, Public Health," a brilliant and clear-eyed primer for the country.

These clowns (Kristof included), just don't get it. Here is the simple solution to the problem posed above: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED, SO DON'T POINT ONE AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL!!! (Editorial comment only) DICKHEADs.

5.56mm

53 posted on 11/13/2004 3:05:25 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: neverdem
childproof pistols were sold back in the 19th century - they wouldn't fire unless the shooter put pressure on the handle as well as the trigger.

I had to jump in here again after I read this more thoroughly. NAME ONE, wise ass. I'm about as familiar with guns as anyone on this board, and I can't think of a single gun with this "feature" made in the 19th century, and only one that was made in the first part of the 20th (Colt 1911, of course). And that gun's not childproof - if they have it in their grip and pull the trigger, it will go off. What a F%%%%%g moron.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

54 posted on 11/13/2004 3:05:54 PM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: Restorer; Dan from Michigan
Someone, somewhere...thought that our houses and families would be made safer by putting locks on the doors and windows.
55 posted on 11/13/2004 3:06:53 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: neverdem

Sweet goodness.


56 posted on 11/13/2004 3:07:02 PM PST by lodwick (The 2nd Amendment is Our Reset Button on Governments.)
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To: snowsislander
Agreed, Also if drivers licenses & marriage licenses cross over state lines why can't my concealed carry permit???
57 posted on 11/13/2004 3:07:45 PM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: The SISU kid

58 posted on 11/13/2004 3:07:54 PM PST by petercooper (Kerry voters -- How can 57,122,374 people be so DUMB?)
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To: datura

"Next they would want to make knives safer. How, by making them dull? "

Yes, and banning knife sharpeners . . .

How do you make a baseball bat inherently safe? That poor med student was killed with a bat a few days ago. Make it out of styrofoam, I guess. Major League Baseball would be forced to play wiffle-ball.

Golf clubs would be banned, too.

Also, to avoid beating to death with a frozen cut of meat, freezers would be banned. We would have to buy our meat every day.

etc.

Yes, all practical suggestions to avoid 15 deaths a year of children under 5 -- so we also have to ban 5 gallon buckets, swimming pools, cribs (SIDS is more than 15 per year, not?) etc etc etc


59 posted on 11/13/2004 3:08:36 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: neverdem

One emminet 'gun nut' once wrote in a letter to a friend of his....

"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them"

The gun nut was Thomas Jefferson and the friend he wrote these words to back in 1796 was George Washington.


60 posted on 11/13/2004 3:09:05 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: M Kehoe
I forgot ASSUME (which is a bad word). As in:

ASSUME ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED, SO DON'T POINT ONE AT ANYTHING YOU DON'T INTEND TO KILL!!!

Sheesh, I get tired educating the journalists at the NYT.

5.56mm

61 posted on 11/13/2004 3:09:12 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: GSlob

I'm no authority, but I thought about the 1911 too. I wonder if Browning first used that grip safety in a design for another company before he set up his own shop.


62 posted on 11/13/2004 3:09:25 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: petercooper

8^) ROTFLMAO!

And he still missed....


63 posted on 11/13/2004 3:11:41 PM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: NonValueAdded

"knows that by heart. Yours should too."

Go Eddie Eagle! My daughter about wore out the tape, when she was a toddler. (She also shot the H&K MP-5 last weekend). [Did I say that? Wouldn't that be DANGEROUS?? ;) ]


64 posted on 11/13/2004 3:11:55 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Darkwolf377
He's saying the Dems are perceived as having all the wrong answers and can't just SAY things differently or shoot a couple of geese. They have to start changing. I completely disagree with his position and his answers, but this is the one Dem I've read recently who is saying "We have to change or our party will die."

Don't be fooled by his rhetoric. This is more of the same old, same old. Loaded chamber indicators, magazine diconnects, "smart" guns etc,. Those are gun control too, and they have been part of the 'rat platform of incrementalist gun control for years. Just because the FBI told the Branch Davidians "This is not an attack" doesn't mean it wasn't one. Just because some NYT moron claims "this is an entirely new approach, one that isn't gun control at all, and one that the red staters can or will accept" doesn't make it true either.

65 posted on 11/13/2004 3:12:39 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: neverdem
How about we try the classic liberal fallback-- education.

I don't mean PSAs; I'm talking about firearms training in school. If they're so big about sex ed and handing out condoms in school, why don't we try gun ed and handing out bullets? The new RAT battlecry-- "A Firing Range in Every School!"

Just trying to think like a lib...
66 posted on 11/13/2004 3:12:49 PM PST by Ragnorak
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To: dennisw

LOL!


67 posted on 11/13/2004 3:14:22 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Ragnorak

"Just trying to think like a lib..."

Did it hurt????


8^)


68 posted on 11/13/2004 3:15:13 PM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I guess the obvious things -- keeping kids away from guns except when they're supervised, and teaching them objectively, for openers, what a gun can do to a watermelon, e.g. -- just aren't in the cards.

Think you're right, they still want a global ban, and they think they just need a sneakier way to get there.

They aren't addressing the problems that private gun ownership was intended to solve in the first place. This shows their ideological selfishness. They want a state monopoly of firepower, and they don't care about the entailed consequences of their ideology. And frankly, I wonder if they ever did. Care about the public, that is, as opposed to their political theories.

69 posted on 11/13/2004 3:15:51 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: neverdem
My best advice on the guns and safety issue:


70 posted on 11/13/2004 3:16:09 PM PST by Zacs Mom ("In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Jefferson)
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To: Zacs Mom
"Clean, load, and shoot a gun"
71 posted on 11/13/2004 3:19:06 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: ol painless

Can you get a bumper mount for that to fit a 99 Chevy Z71?


72 posted on 11/13/2004 3:19:59 PM PST by OSHA (Anything not forbidden is mandatory.)
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To: The SISU kid
Did it hurt????

No, but everything started to go dark and I lost my will to work.
73 posted on 11/13/2004 3:21:49 PM PST by Ragnorak
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To: GSlob

(Grip safety is a feature in Browning's 1911.)

It's also on my ancient colt target match but it doesn't work.The 1911 is a neat gun which featuures no less than 4 safetys which are effective but do not interfere with usefull function of the weapon.


74 posted on 11/13/2004 3:22:05 PM PST by edchambers ("Rock n Roller with one foot in the grave")
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Encourage doctors to counsel depressed patients not to keep guns

I read the AMA was asking their members to questions patients on gun ownership. What business is it of there's? If my doc evers ask me that he'll have to fill out and sign this:

FIREARMS SAFETY COUNSELING REPRESENTATION: Page 1
PHYSICIAN QUALIFICATIONS AND LIABILITY
Part One: Qualifications

I affirm that I am certified to offer (Name of Patient:), hereinafter referred to as "the Patient", qualified advice about firearms safety in the home, having received:
Specify Course(s) of Study: ______________________________
From: ______________________________________________________
Specify Institution(s) ____________________________________________________________
On: ________________________________________________________
Specify Course Completion Date(s): ______________________________________________________
Resulting in: _________________________________________________
Specify Accreditation(s), Certification(s), License(s) etc.: _____________________________________
Check one, as appropriate:
___ I represent that I have reviewed applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private firearms ownership. I further represent that I have reviewed all other relevant home safety issues with the Patient, including those relating to electricity, drains, disposals, compactors, garage doors, driveway safety, pool safety, pool fence codes and special locks for pool gates, auto safety, gas, broken glass, stored cleaning chemicals, buckets, toilets, sharp objects, garden tools, home tools, power tools, lawnmowers, lawn chemicals, scissors, needles, forks, knives, etc. I also acknowledge, by receiving this document, I have been made aware that, in his inaugural address before the American Medical Association on June 20, 2001, new president Richard Corlin, MD, admitted "What we don't know about violence and guns is literally killing us...researchers do not have the data to tell how kids get guns, if trigger locks work, what the warning signs of violence in schools and at the workplace are and other critical questions due to lack of research funding." (UPI). In spite of this admission, I represent that I have sufficient data and expertise to provide expert and clinically sound advice to patients regarding firearms in the home.

OR
___ I am knowingly engaging in Home/Firearms Safety Counseling without certification, license or formal training in Risk Management, and; I have not reviewed applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private firearms ownership.

Part Two: Liability
I have determined, from a review of my medical malpractice insurance, that if I engage in an activity for which I am not certified, such as Firearms Safety Counseling, the carrier (check one, as appropriate):
___ Will
___ Will not
Cover lawsuits resulting from neglect, lack of qualification, etc.
Insurance Carrier name, address and policy number insuring me for firearms safety expertise: ____________________________________________________________

I further warrant that, should the Patient follow my firearm safety counseling and remove from the home and/or disable firearms with trigger locks or other mechanisms, and if the patient or a family member, friend or visitor is subsequently injured or killed as a result of said removal or disabling, that my malpractice insurance and/or personal assets will cover all actual and punitive damages resulting from a lawsuit initiated by the patient, the patient's legal representative, or the patient's survivors.

Signature of attesting physician and date: ___________________________________________________

75 posted on 11/13/2004 3:23:53 PM PST by Oorang (I want to breathe the fresh air of freedom, at the dawn of every day, it's the American way.)
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To: neverdem

You'll know Libs get it when they support cutting back on sex education in school and substitue gun safety.


76 posted on 11/13/2004 3:25:11 PM PST by beebuster2000 (waiting waiting waiting)
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To: paul51
I hope the nee AG gets very aggressive in restoring 2nd amendment rights for every person in the union. I noticed he is from TX. I hope that is a good sign.

Forget it. With (I think) the exception of Dubya's born-again religiosity, I think everyone in Manor Bush is a deep-down Connecticut Yankee, Yankee-bred and Yankee-raised. Bush may have been born in, and even educated in, Texas -- but he's a member of the Upper Class, and so he thinks like a clubbed-up, New England topsider.

Believe me, the Bushes' set (social and political) do NOT see the Second Amendment the way you do.

The Pew Centers' political typology survey showed that business RiNO's like the Bush family do not favor or support wide ownership of firearms, and are inclined privately to support strong licensing laws and other controls, official and unofficial*. To them, we're just "them". Employees. Hired hands. Not real people.

*For example, California and New York both have licensing laws. In practice, the discretion LEO's have in granting licenses means that you don't get a carry license -- but Ed Koch and Sylvester Stallone and other politicians and celebrities do.

The most succinct way to say it is that liberals and RiNO's tend to agree, that there is a very discernible trash line in society (somewhere just below their feet), and that only substantial, responsible people (like them) ought to have access to firearms. People like you, on the other hand, need not to have access.

77 posted on 11/13/2004 3:25:42 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: coloradan

Well, shoot!!!!..........I guess I'm gettin' too old and tired to do these graphics on the spur of the moment! Thanks!


78 posted on 11/13/2004 3:26:53 PM PST by Zacs Mom ("In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Jefferson)
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To: beebuster2000

All firearms are dangerous, but this does not make them unsafe. An unsafe firearm would be one that would injure the user when being used properly.


79 posted on 11/13/2004 3:27:45 PM PST by umgud (Donate monthly, don't be a Freeploader)
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To: neverdem

Sheesh. Even when they get it, they still don't get it.


80 posted on 11/13/2004 3:27:46 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Oorang

LOL! PRICELESS


81 posted on 11/13/2004 3:28:29 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: RogueIsland
"Sheesh. Even when they get it, they still don't get it."

No, they get it....they're just to intellectually dishonest about their true intent....

They "GET IT" alright...


8^)
82 posted on 11/13/2004 3:32:31 PM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: neverdem
Cherry Kool-aid instead of grape? The Dems might actually win an election or two if they'd get some professional help with this gun grabbing fixation.

And they call us gun nuts?!?

83 posted on 11/13/2004 3:34:31 PM PST by Redcloak ("FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS! FOUR MORE BEERS!" -Teresa Heinz Kerry)
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To: Imabeliever
Guns can be made safer by prosecuting criminals to full extent. When thieves, rapists, and burglars are behind bars, we're all much safer. And make them do all the time they are sentenced to, instead of letting them out early.


Now, now. This goes against the complete philosophy of the democratic party. No criminal is responsible for his or her own actions. Only giant corporations and religous extremist are capable of causing another person to committ a crime.
84 posted on 11/13/2004 3:34:40 PM PST by CriticalJ
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To: OSHA
"Can you get a bumper mount for that to fit a 99 Chevy Z71?"

You could certainly make one. Miniguns are perfect for vehicles since they require a strong power source to run the motor. A pickup bed would be perfect to fit a 4000 round magazine to feed this monster.
85 posted on 11/13/2004 3:35:08 PM PST by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: snowsislander

86 posted on 11/13/2004 3:36:01 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Zacs Mom
"clean load and shot a gun?

oops..

87 posted on 11/13/2004 3:36:55 PM PST by kAcknor (That's my version of it anyway....)
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To: beebuster2000
You'll know Libs get it when they support cutting back on sex education in school and substitue gun safety.

Or full-on firearms training, lots of it, and crime-avoidance training, and how to resist a rape or kidnapping with the help of a sidearm.

Twenty years from now, I would like it very much to be known throughout the Middle East that you may be able to snipe an American from a "safe" distance, but that the very last thing you want to try to do is to kidnap one.

88 posted on 11/13/2004 3:39:38 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: neverdem
". . . but nervous Red Staters still suspected Democrats of plotting to seize guns."

Especially since s'kerry, bless his stoopid heart, had the dumbness to criticize Bush for not pushing for the AWB renewal just before election. Poor guy just had too many things going against him, inluding his 'advisors.' Heh. (Thanks, Clintons, but don't expect us to return the favor.)

89 posted on 11/13/2004 3:40:17 PM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: snowsislander

"My first choice would be repealing the 1968 GCA, which would really put a kink in state laws that depend on it for definitions and regulatory bases."

You are so correct. Although the import ban of 89 and the 86 machine gun ones need to go badly too.

And retool the 34 NFA a lot too. I'd raise the taxes to $1000 but make it easier otherwise to get things. Perhaps make it a licensed thing like with CCW.


90 posted on 11/13/2004 3:41:13 PM PST by Kornev
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To: Hardastarboard
Yeah, I thought that statement was a bunch of liberal spam too....

"You can tell whether a camera is loaded by looking at it, and you should be able to tell whether a gun is loaded by looking at it,"

Yeah, I sort of hate to admit this...but I've taken a couple rolls of "film" with an empty camera. I was treating it like it was "loaded", but I couldn't tell until I cracked it open.

FRegards,

91 posted on 11/13/2004 3:42:31 PM PST by Osage Orange (Dems...those unaccountable looking, gargoyle-like scarecrows looking to party, and raid the pantry.)
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To: neverdem

The anti-gun whackos ALREADY tried this tactic many times before. Remember when Clinton had his boy, Emory University's (remember the other famous LIER from Emory who wote a FRAUDULENT "history" book on the 2nd Amendment and guns in America?) Dr. Arthur Kellerman on the inside at the CDC? He used junk science and cooked "studies" to help suggest that guns were a major health problem (forget the high number of patients killed through medical mistakes by "doctors" like Kellerman). When called on his questionable "findings" (i.e., a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to harm or kill the owner than it is to harm or kill an intruder - or something as RIDICULOUS as that), he never released his raw "data" for independent, unbiased verification. In other words, he was a lying WHORE for the Clinton/Reno/Schumer/Feinstein anti-gun machine. When dems can't get the licensing, registration, and confiscating of guns done through legislation, they ALWAYS run to the ambulance-chasers, activist judges, and pacifist medical QUACKS in an effort to make an end run around our 2nd Amendment rights. Too bad for them that we are already on to their game, and IT AIN'T GONNA FLY.


92 posted on 11/13/2004 3:42:40 PM PST by DocH (Release ALL your Navy records AND your private journal Kerry!)
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower

Proper musket handling?

93 posted on 11/13/2004 3:44:27 PM PST by risk
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To: neverdem

Ted Nugent Bump!


94 posted on 11/13/2004 3:44:28 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: CriticalJ
This goes against the complete philosophy of the democratic party.

That's right. You're getting into their voter base when you start beating up on criminals. Throw them all in jail, and the 'Rats would never win another election.

95 posted on 11/13/2004 3:44:43 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: JessieHelmsJr

"keep preaching on gay marriage,more gun laws ,how the military is bad,raising taxes on the rich ,christians are idiots,Then only then will they win.I'm trying to give them good red state advice. Dont forget to knock Nascar fans..."

Don't forget those trailor trash "Wal-Mart Shoppers"


96 posted on 11/13/2004 3:45:53 PM PST by Anti-Christ is Hillary (John Kerry - Flip Flop shock and awe)
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To: neverdem

I forgot to add left-wing maggot, inner-city mayors and union police chiefs to the ambulance-chasers, activist judges, and pacifist medical QUACKS that the demonRATS turn to in their incremental march toward Draconian bans on our guns.


97 posted on 11/13/2004 3:48:04 PM PST by DocH (Release ALL your Navy records AND your private journal Kerry!)
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To: neverdem

This is the same BS socialist approach tried the American Medical Association years ago.

It failed then with a vengence.

Just the same old same old from the the Democrat (gay) party which has NO ideas.


98 posted on 11/13/2004 3:48:46 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: neverdem

oh yes forgot to mention. Even if the numbers are scraped off, they are still detectable due to the deep indentations of the metal.

Obviosly this poof has no concept of rights or firearms.


99 posted on 11/13/2004 3:51:01 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: neverdem
The new approach is to accept that handguns are part of the American landscape, but to use a public health approach to try to make them much safer.

What is it about guns and Democrats? They simply are unable to get it. Guns are made to kill and it is impossible to make the gun itself any safer. Gun control has never been about keeping people from accidentally shooting someone, it's always been about taking guns away from everyone. Anyone who thinks Kerry would have been elected had it not been for gun control is an idiot. Had Kerry been pro guns he would not be a liberal. It's about being Liberal, not about the details of liberal issues.

100 posted on 11/13/2004 3:52:08 PM PST by Casloy
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