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Muslim mole panics Dutch secret service
Sunday Times ^ | 11/14/04 | Justin Sparks, Amsterdam

Posted on 11/13/2004 9:01:28 PM PST by Pikamax

November 14, 2004

Muslim mole panics Dutch secret service Justin Sparks, Amsterdam

THE Dutch secret service has been infiltrated by an Islamic extremist linked to the killer of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film-maker whose murder has accelerated Holland’s transformation from one of Europe’s most tolerant countries into a society increasingly polarised by fears about immigration.

Intelligence sources said last week that a mole working for a terrorist group codenamed the “Hofstad cell” had been arrested on suspicion of relaying information collected by the authorities to its members.

The disclosure has compounded the embarrassment of the security services, which have admitted they were watching Mohammed Bouyeri, the 26-year-old Dutch-born Moroccan charged with van Gogh’s murder, from August 2002.

They ended their surveillance less than two weeks before Bouyeri allegedly shot the film director six times as he cycled down an Amsterdam street, then butchered him with a knife.

The murder — apparently provoked by the 47-year-old van Gogh’s outspoken attacks on radical Islam, including a film depicting Koranic verses on a naked female back to represent the supposed oppression of women — has been followed by what Jan Peter Balkenende, the prime minister, called “a maelstrom of violence”.

There have been more than 20 arson attacks on mosques, churches and schools — the latest early yesterday on a mosque in the southeastern village of Helden. The spiral of attack and counterattack has shattered the image of Dutch society as one that cherishes consensus and abhors conflict.

Jozias van Aartsen, the parliamentary Speaker, warned yesterday: “Jihad has come to the Netherlands.”

Several politicians — including Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a liberal MP of Somali origin and van Gogh’s co-producer — were forced into hiding after death threats from Islamic extremists, and a poll revealed that 40% of the Dutch now hope their 900,000 Muslim neighbours no longer feel at home. Some 80% want tougher policies against immigrants.

Like its counterparts in Britain, the Dutch secret service recruited Muslims and Arabic speakers after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on America. Among them was a man named only as Outmar Ben A, a Dutch-born Moroccan taken on last year. Intelligence officials believe he was the mole. He was arrested in September and has been charged with supplying documents showing what the security services knew about the cell.

The documents included a file on one of the cell’s alleged leaders, Samir Azzouz, an associate of Bouyeri, who has been charged with planning attacks on the Dutch parliament, Schipol airport and a nuclear reactor.

The material was unearthed during a search of Bouyeri’s home after the murder. Bouyeri, who has refused to co-operate with interrogators, featured in numerous intelligence reports that linked him with suspected terrorists. One of them was believed to have been involved in the Casablanca bombings that killed 43 people in May last year.

Police records have revealed growing concern over the young man’s desire to take part in jihad. “Bouyeri appears to be becoming increasingly radical, has changed his behaviour in a short time and now shouts out Koranic texts,” said one report.

In October last year, anti-terrorist police raided a number of buildings, including Bouyeri’s flat. But despite finding a “jihad martyr’s will” that suggested he was planning a suicide operation, they released him without charge.

He was heard afterwards boasting to another suspect whose phone had been tapped that he had removed apparently incriminating documents before the raid. Bouyeri’s own phone was tapped from July until October 21. Thirteen days later, wearing a jacket several sizes too large, he hunted down his victim with two butcher’s knives and a pistol.

Since the early 1950s, when thousands of people from the former Dutch colony of Indonesia moved to the Indian quarter of Amsterdam where van Gogh was killed, the district has been at the heart of a multicultural experiment now deemed to have failed.

The willingness of the Dutch to welcome immigrants has been under growing strain since the arrival of hundreds of thousands of Turks and Moroccans in the late 1960s and 1970s. Unlike their predecessors, they did not speak Dutch and appeared less able — or willing — to integrate, living increasingly in separate communities.

Tensions came to a head two years ago with the rise of Pim Fortuyn, a rightwinger assassinated on the eve of elections that turned his followers into a powerful political force.

Although Fortuyn’s party faded after his death, Balkenende’s government has taken a strict line on immigration and has begun deporting 26,000 rejected asylum seekers.

During a heated debate in parliament last week there were calls to go further by shutting radical mosques, forcing all imams to have lessons in the Dutch language and culture and making it easier to close down websites inciting racial hatred.

The popular mood has continued to shift sharply against immigrants amid anxiety expressed by Frits Bolkestein, the outgoing Dutch European commissioner, that Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Utrecht will have non-European majorities within two generations.

Mohammed, he noted, was already the most common first name registered in Amsterdam.

Even older Dutch citizens, once the most tolerant, now favour radical change. “It doesn’t surprise me that youngsters are going out attacking mosques,” said a newsagent in the street where van Gogh died.

Cino Karakik, 19, a Turk whose family owns the bakery across the street, has watched a stream of people arriving to lay wreaths. “They look at me as if to say, ‘Yeah, he’s one of them’,” said Karakik. “People are looking to make trouble.”

Such tensions are valuable to politicians vying for Fortuyn’s mantle. Among them is Geert Wilders, a right-wing MP whose popularity has soared since the secret service revealed that he was on an Islamic extremists’ death list.

Guarded by armed police, he is now campaigning for an end to immigration and has drawn up a list of 200 Islamic extremists to be deported or incarcerated. “We can’t just leave it to the intelligence services to play this impossible game of trying to get every single piece of evidence needed for a judge to put them behind bars,” he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europeanmuslims; globaljihad; hofstadcell; holland; jihadineurope; jihadinholland; koranimals; mole; murder; netherlands; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; theovangogh; translators; vangogh

1 posted on 11/13/2004 9:01:28 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

BTTT


2 posted on 11/13/2004 9:03:29 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Pikamax

The Europeans are so peaceful, NOT.


3 posted on 11/13/2004 9:05:05 PM PST by Nachum (We're All Americans, Let's Stand Together)
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To: Pikamax

This is sweet......the tolerant are going to get awfully mad at this turn of the screw...


4 posted on 11/13/2004 9:05:35 PM PST by Cutterjohnmhb
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To: rmlew

Islamofascism Ping!


5 posted on 11/13/2004 9:06:36 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Arlen Specter's got to go!)
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To: Pikamax
Guarded by armed police, he is now campaigning for an end to immigration and has drawn up a list of 200 Islamic extremists to be deported or incarcerated.

The Dutch are showing more common sense that the rest of Europe, Britain, or Scandinavia. Toss 'em out or give away your grandchildren's countries.

6 posted on 11/13/2004 9:09:35 PM PST by xJones
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To: Pikamax

Just for the record, I am not a MuslimMole.


7 posted on 11/13/2004 9:09:44 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Pikamax

The Dutch are strong supporters of Bush's policies.


8 posted on 11/13/2004 9:10:57 PM PST by crushelits
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To: Pikamax
"the district has been at the heart of a multicultural experiment now deemed to have failed.

Hmmmm (Now what?)

9 posted on 11/13/2004 9:11:08 PM PST by blam
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To: Pikamax

The Dutch need to start kicking the radicals out.


10 posted on 11/13/2004 9:15:06 PM PST by Cableguy
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To: blam

But despite finding a “jihad martyr’s will” that suggested he was planning a suicide operation, they released him without charge.

WTF!!?&*%$!!


11 posted on 11/13/2004 9:16:06 PM PST by winner3000
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To: Pikamax
Islam: Religion Of Peace
12 posted on 11/13/2004 9:17:56 PM PST by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Pikamax

So, what are they going to do? Do they have the political will necessary to kick 900,000 immigrants out?


13 posted on 11/13/2004 9:19:07 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pikamax
.... Holland’s transformation from one of Europe’s most tolerant countries into a society increasingly polarised by fears about immigration.


"Excellent."

14 posted on 11/13/2004 9:20:49 PM PST by Texas Eagle ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into." Jonathan Swift)
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To: Pikamax

At least they tolerated him for a while as a spy


15 posted on 11/13/2004 9:22:44 PM PST by GeronL (http://images7.fotki.com/v125/photos/2/215708/780411/reow-vi.jpg?1100155138)
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To: Pikamax
The short film Van Gogh was murdered over (he directed it), called Submission is worth watching. It's about 10 minutes long, and can be downloaded from a link on one of the other FR threads on the topic.

Heaven forbid someone should practice freedom of speach in his own country. His killer, like the other Islamofascists, think they are running the world.

Another attack in this country, and I'll be seeking advice from gun-savvy Freepers as to what they recommend as a handgun and how to go about getting legal authority to carry it. Their wish for martydom will be my pleasure before they run my life.

16 posted on 11/13/2004 9:25:49 PM PST by intolerancewillNOTbetolerated (I suck at my current job, so PROMOTE me. - Peter-Principle Kerry)
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To: xJones
"Toss 'em out or give away your grand children's countries."

yep , I totally agree....it was a mistake to open the door
in the first place. This mistake will not self correct.
This is a choice all Europe faces. All these people need to be
invited to return to their countries of ancestral origin.
Maybe they can do some good there after living so long in the West anyway.
17 posted on 11/13/2004 9:27:37 PM PST by injin
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To: Pikamax

18 posted on 11/13/2004 9:27:38 PM PST by elizabetty
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To: Pikamax

The presentation of the problem in the Netherlands in the article made me sick. So the issue is now "fear of immigration"? What about the note on the body (which was held on with the knife, stuck in to the hilt) which declared war on the Netherlands and the West? At least this writer accurately portrayed the murder as "butchery." Since when is concern for national survival devolved into "fear of immigration"? *much anger and gnashing of teeth*


19 posted on 11/13/2004 9:31:43 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: Pikamax
Unlike their predecessors, they did not speak Dutch and appeared less able — or willing — to integrate, living increasingly in separate communities.

Sound familiar? They could be describing many different immigrant groups in the U.S. today. If our immigration laws aren't changed soon we are headed down that same path.

20 posted on 11/13/2004 9:36:28 PM PST by jamaly
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To: Pikamax; Calpernia; Velveeta; Revel; Alabama MOM; lacylu


The documents included a file on one of the cell’s alleged leaders,
Samir Azzouz, an associate of Bouyeri, who has been charged with
planning attacks on the Dutch parliament, Schipol airport and a
nuclear reactor.




With plns like this, I would not call him a small mole.


21 posted on 11/13/2004 9:37:05 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: crushelits
"The Dutch are strong supporters of Bush's policies."

But is BUSH a supporter of Dutch policies - like throwing the bums out?

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22 posted on 11/13/2004 9:37:15 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Pikamax
a poll revealed that 40% of the Dutch now hope their 900,000 Muslim neighbours no longer feel at home.

The situation in Holland has many parallels to what Koranimals did in Denmark, so the Dutch and EU socialist welfare states in general, could learn from the Danes by limiting the rights to welfare for non-citizens... many of them will leave on their own accord (but will probably end up shopping for welfare among other more clueless EUro states).

Some 80% want tougher policies against immigrants.

'Bout time.

23 posted on 11/13/2004 9:55:49 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade.)
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To: Thud

FYI


24 posted on 11/13/2004 10:09:20 PM PST by Dark Wing
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To: Henchman
"But is BUSH a supporter of Dutch policies - like throwing the bums out?"

For the answer to this question just take a survey of the fifteen million illegals that he plans on giving amnesty to.

25 posted on 11/13/2004 10:12:25 PM PST by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" - Pope Urban II, 1097 A.D.)
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To: Pikamax
In October last year, anti-terrorist police raided a number of buildings, You mean the Dutch have terrorist police too?
26 posted on 11/13/2004 10:16:54 PM PST by ClaudiusI
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To: Pikamax

I wonder how many infiltrators are in our own intelligence agencies.


27 posted on 11/13/2004 10:33:29 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Pikamax
Cino Karakik, 19, a Turk whose family owns the bakery across the street, has watched a stream of people arriving to lay wreaths. “They look at me as if to say, ‘Yeah, he’s one of them’,” said Karakik. “People are looking to make trouble.”

Yeah, mufukkah, you ARE one of them.

28 posted on 11/13/2004 10:37:35 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: Paleo Conservative

It would be nice if we were to respond as vociferously.


29 posted on 11/13/2004 10:56:08 PM PST by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: intolerancewillNOTbetolerated

Just ask " What kind of weapon/gun/firearm should I buy for carry/home protection/varmits/etc. and stand back. I can't wait to put my; well hell, I'll get my two cents in before all:
22:T512 Ruger Pistol
Ruger Single Six

GAU-8/Avenger revolver: delivery questionable, they keep telling me that it is back ordered. Won't take my calls.
I gotta go, someone's at my door? YYYEEEEAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH.

BTW find a old Browning Light 12 and a handgun that you can shoot accurately and is reliable that has a caliber that starts with a 4. Practice...!


30 posted on 11/13/2004 11:02:41 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you're there, thats the best! Where are the ducks?)
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To: USF

While the Danes did limit rights to Muslims...a significant number of Muslim men simply found "dim" Danish women to marry and got their residence and full benifits that way. Even after the "Dim" Danish gal comes to her senses...the guy is already in the system and can simply stay on. This is like a little Mafia operation...they learn all the rules and simply paint within those rules.

On the whole, this situation is likely grow bolder. I can see several Dutch media-types, creating new documentaries over the next six months...to portray the Muslims in a even worse light. And by summer of next year, when these hit the market...there will be a second wave of anti-Muslim feelings. This won't go away.


31 posted on 11/13/2004 11:05:41 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: intolerancewillNOTbetolerated

link to the film please


32 posted on 11/13/2004 11:13:19 PM PST by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: Pikamax
anti-terrorist police raided a number of buildings, including Bouyeri’s flat. But despite finding a “jihad martyr’s will” that suggested he was planning a suicide operation, they released him without charge
This is where WE are headed too, if we don't stop the liberal & legal insanity now.
33 posted on 11/13/2004 11:15:17 PM PST by Libertina (We praise You Lord, You have granted America a Christian leader!)
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To: jamaly

Say it louder and often, jamaly, because many citizens and the ones elected to lead and defend us are in serious denial about this.


34 posted on 11/13/2004 11:20:16 PM PST by topsail
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To: USF
many of them will leave on their own accord (but will probably end up shopping for welfare among other more clueless EUro states).

Let France and Belgium pay for their welfare benefits.

35 posted on 11/13/2004 11:24:34 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Arlen Specter's got to go!)
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To: Pikamax

The Dutch only have 900,000 islomaniacs? What is the population of Muslims in the USofA? I'll tell ya, no one really knows.


36 posted on 11/13/2004 11:28:31 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Pikamax; All
 
Islam versus Holland- Red Cresent Rising?

37 posted on 11/14/2004 1:02:25 AM PST by backhoe ( Islam has become the 21st century version of Nazism.)
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To: backhoe

Thanks Backhoe. Excellent compilation.

The situatiuon in Netherlands is getting very littlke play here in Norway. Our collective head is still firmly placed in a certain place. Even though just in the small city were I currently reside, a 15 year old girl was abducted and went trough the obligatory gang-rape by a few friendly guests of our country.


38 posted on 11/14/2004 2:00:20 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
The situatiuon in Netherlands is getting very little play here in Norway. Our collective head is still firmly placed in a certain place. Even though just in the small city were I currently reside, a 15 year old girl was abducted and went trough the obligatory gang-rape by a few friendly guests of our country.

I just don't see how we can get along with these people. The "moderates" are either complicit, or scared into silence- either way, they are worthless. Meanwhile, the extremists do things no decent person can allow.

39 posted on 11/14/2004 2:05:18 AM PST by backhoe ( Islam has become the 21st century version of Nazism.)
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To: backhoe
"I just don't see how we can get along with these people."

We can't. The day I see a muslim reject violence I might change my mind.

40 posted on 11/14/2004 2:24:54 AM PST by blackbart.223
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To: Pikamax
Like its counterparts in Britain, the Dutch secret service recruited Muslims and Arabic speakers after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on America. Among them was a man named only as Outmar Ben A, a Dutch-born Moroccan taken on last year. Intelligence officials believe he was the mole.

A Muslim MAY NOT work for infidels against fellow Muslims, and remain a Muslim in good standing. I would not be surprised if most of their Muslim recruits are moles.

41 posted on 11/14/2004 2:35:25 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: intolerancewillNOTbetolerated
Another attack in this country, and I'll be seeking advice from gun-savvy Freepers as to what they recommend as a handgun and how to go about getting legal authority to carry it. Their wish for martydom will be my pleasure before they run my life.

The facts of life are that if you wait for another attack before getting one, you won't be able to. The shelves will be bare of all the good models, because lots of other people will have had the same idea. Plus you might find yourself in the same position of LA residents during the LA riots, where the local government suspended all sales of guns and ammo during the state of emergency

The time to get one is now.

If you don't have a firearm, the best all-around gun is a shotgun. You can get a good one from Remington or Mossberg for $200 - $300, lower used.

For a first handgun, most people recommend you start with a revolver.

42 posted on 11/14/2004 2:51:15 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (We are going to fight until hell freezes over and then we are going to fight on the ice)
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To: Pharmboy; Incorrigible

Ping


43 posted on 11/14/2004 7:16:30 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: crushelits

The Dutch are strong supporters of Bush's policies.
Unfortunately , that is NOT true .


44 posted on 11/14/2004 7:42:47 AM PST by hineybona
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To: hineybona

BUMP


45 posted on 11/14/2004 7:52:41 AM PST by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: hineybona

The Dutch Government!


46 posted on 11/14/2004 9:59:50 AM PST by crushelits
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