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Fear, loathing as bars go quietly up in smoke (New York City)
The Age ^ | November 14, 2004 | Roger Franklin

Posted on 11/14/2004 2:24:29 AM PST by Eurotwit

Like a lot of New York's straight-off-the-boat Irish barmen, Brian ("no surname, thanks") has a problem with authority, one that means keeping a weather eye on the door of the unfashionable watering hole where he slings suds from 6pm until closing time. As an undocumented alien with a tourist visa that expired more than three years ago, Brian's chief concern has always been the immigration authorities. These days, though, there is another threat to his livelihood: the Big Apple's smoking police. "It's a fookin' crime," he said, "the way those bastards behave."

The regulars at Brian's bar agreed. The talk that night last week had been of the front-page picture on the New York Post. It was a close-cropped head-shot of a young GI in Fallujah, face smeared with fatigue and camouflage paint, and a daub of what on closer examination was revealed to be a splatter of dried blood down the bridge of his nose.

The face of battle - yes, but it wasn't the 10,000-yard stare of eyes fresh from combat that had the regulars' attention. It was the just-lit cigarette dangling from the soldier's lips.

"So that's how it works," quipped Brian. "Shoot a fookin' sand goblin, win a fookin' fag."

The regulars chuckled, as Americans always do at that imported word, which means gay, and only gay, on this side of the Atlantic. But they got his drift, and one of the patrons wondered if the soldier and his M-16 might not find fruitful employment on New York's home front.

"Mr Mayor, you son of a bitch," he began, making a gun with index finger and upraised thumb, "you're dead." Then, in defiance of the Big Apple's draconian smoking laws, he exhaled a plume of ostentatious rebellion towards the yellowed ceiling. "Fook you, Mr Michael Bloomberg," added Brian.

That's the way it works these days in allegedly smoke-free New York, where the city's two-year-old smoking ban has ushered in an entirely new social ecology. At the chic bars and eateries, the ones that depend on high-volume turnover, even an unlit cigarette raised to the lips will bring an immediate warning to get the hell outside and light up on the sidewalk. With fines running as high as $2000 per violation, no eatery will risk the penalties.

But in the little neighbourhood joints, the ones that depend on regulars and locals, well, that's a different matter altogether. At first, when the ban was fresh, the hole-in-the-wall joints tried to uphold it. Trouble was, it proved financially ruinous.

One bar, Fiddler's Green on West 48th Street, had survived for decades through blackouts, crime waves and even an armed hold-up. But the smoking ban did it in. "Drinkers smoke, and the people who complain about smoking don't drink - not a lot anyway," said Brian.

So, after weighing the risks, he followed the example of barmen in scores of other low-rent joints and began distributing saucers to his late-night regulars. They have to be saucers because the mere presence of an ashtray - even a clean one - is taken as proof positive that illegal activities have been going on. Then the fines are issued.

No one is safe these days. Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, a diehard smoker and one of New York's premier arbiters of the chic and the cool, was bailed up in his office and fined by two little men from the health department, not once but three times. In office buildings, the presence of a single squashed butt in a stairwell is taken as proof that law-breaking goes on, and the landlord is slapped with fines.

Now that muggings, rapes and murders are down by as much as three-quarters on the runaway figures of a dozen years ago, Bloomberg has adapted the zero-tolerance approach to "crimes" that never previously raised an eyebrow.

When Bloomberg, with a convert's loathing for his former vice, increased sin taxes in the five boroughs, tobacco sales soared in Long Island and New Jersey, and truckloads of cigarettes were shipped into town from Indian reservations.

Barman Brian doesn't give a fook, as he might put it, about politics. But he fully comprehends the way the world works. "I want to pay my rent, same as everyone," he said. "Here, let me give you a light."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aliens; fook; fookin; policestate; pufflist; sandgoblins; smokingbans; smokingnazis
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1 posted on 11/14/2004 2:24:29 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
Bloomberg loves his little police state, doesn't he?

an undocumented alien with a tourist visa that expired more than three years ago, Brian

An illegal alien Irishman that hangs out in bars all the time? I don't know if the reporter just made him up, but if he's real he should be deported.

2 posted on 11/14/2004 2:32:18 AM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: Eurotwit

Fookin' A!


3 posted on 11/14/2004 2:32:41 AM PST by RandallFlagg (FReepers, Do NOT let the voter fraud stories die!!!! (Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name))
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To: Eurotwit

New vocabulary alert.


4 posted on 11/14/2004 2:32:54 AM PST by risk
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To: Eurotwit

Yes it is a fookin' crime Brian. So is overstaying your visit on an expired tourist visa.

Seriously, these smoking bans don't do anyone any good besides the state. Make something illegal, then rake in the dough.


5 posted on 11/14/2004 2:42:03 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: Eurotwit
"Shoot a fookin' sand goblin, win a fookin' fag."

No more Arafat dolls for me, no thanks.

6 posted on 11/14/2004 2:42:17 AM PST by this_ol_patriot
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Nae wey wid Ah poison mah boady wi' that shite. Aw they f---- chemicals, nae f---- wey

7 posted on 11/14/2004 3:00:52 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: KneelBeforeZod

yeah I know scottish, not irish


8 posted on 11/14/2004 3:01:14 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: Eurotwit

I smoke...and here in the rural red zone they have not gone to the nazi tactics of NYC, Chicago, SF (and other metro's). There are several food joints in town that have a smoking ban, and the only good lil' restaurant that ALLOWS smoking is my preference -and that of many others (good food, pleasant owners, etc..) despite being a little hole in the wall.

And they use real ashtrays -not saucers :)


9 posted on 11/14/2004 4:28:50 AM PST by no_mm ("Give War a Chance." - Michael Savage)
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To: Eurotwit

P.S. MARLBORO MAN is welcome here in the red zone...screw NYC >:)


10 posted on 11/14/2004 4:30:03 AM PST by no_mm ("Give War a Chance." - Michael Savage)
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To: no_mm

There are plenty of little places here in NY that ignore this stupid, idiotic, unnecessary law.

Still, THREE pubs in my neighborhood have folded and remain shuttered and unsold.

This is a law that NEVER should have been passed -- especially in a state that still doesn't have a budget (one was due on APRIL 1).

Regards,

PS: I am counting the days till I can get the hell out of NY. Can't come soon enough.


11 posted on 11/14/2004 5:02:09 AM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Eurotwit
Red State citizen...

Blue Stater..


12 posted on 11/14/2004 5:18:00 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Eurotwit

"As an undocumented alien with a tourist visa that expired more than three years ago...."

An illegal alien, eh? Deport him.


13 posted on 11/14/2004 6:32:09 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
"Mr Mayor, you son of a bitch," he began, making a gun with index finger and upraised thumb, "you're dead."

Deportation? Probably after a little jail time.

14 posted on 11/14/2004 6:38:36 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Eurotwit

"Shoot a fookin' sand goblin, win a fookin' fag"


LOL


15 posted on 11/14/2004 6:43:49 AM PST by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: IStillBelieve

NYC is full of bar tenders, carpenters and house painters from Ireland who aren't legal. The late shift at my local bar is permanently staffed by Seans and Brians and Seamuses. If you're going to deport illegals, start with "sand goblins." If we didn't have a politically correct immigration policy, there'd be a lot more Irish here, legally, and the country would be a lot better off.


16 posted on 11/14/2004 9:00:16 AM PST by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: Dick Vomer
THAT, my friend, is absolutely the best post I have ever seen on the Free Republic. You encapsulated the 2004 presidential race in a nutshell!

Bravo to Dick Vomer!

17 posted on 11/14/2004 12:01:52 PM PST by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: Dick Vomer

BTTT!


18 posted on 11/14/2004 12:03:01 PM PST by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: Dick Vomer

Blue-staters = "fookin' fags"


19 posted on 11/14/2004 12:09:43 PM PST by DanTheAdmin (A blue man in a red state...)
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To: Gabz

Ping


20 posted on 11/14/2004 12:11:47 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Dick Vomer

GREAT POST


21 posted on 11/14/2004 12:15:24 PM PST by mel
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To: IStillBelieve

Shoot, half my Queens neighborhood would be deported then...of course rents would probably drop a bit.


22 posted on 11/14/2004 12:17:34 PM PST by PianoMan (Top priority for the new government - STOP SPECTER)
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To: broadsword

Another bump to post #12


23 posted on 11/14/2004 12:19:27 PM PST by PianoMan (Top priority for the new government - STOP SPECTER)
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To: Eurotwit
"It's a fookin' crime," he said, "the way those bastards behave."

It's a fookin crime that he is still in this country. The INS couldn't find it's ass with both hands and a flashlight!

24 posted on 11/14/2004 12:41:56 PM PST by fightu4it (conquest by immigration and subversion spells the end of US.)
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To: Eurotwit

It will probably slack off after a couple of those "little men from the health dept" end up in the east river...


25 posted on 11/14/2004 12:51:26 PM PST by Axenolith (This space for rent.)
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To: fightu4it

When the INS does find its ass (and extracts the flashlight), they should shine on Mideasterners first. The Irish aren't hurting anybody, and they're certainly not being brainwashed by priests to strap on bombs and go out and kill the rest of us. If immigration policies made any sense, Irish, Brits, even Frogs would be welcome.


26 posted on 11/14/2004 1:12:05 PM PST by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: Dick Vomer; Recovering Ex-hippie

Awesome!


27 posted on 11/14/2004 1:36:28 PM PST by Chieftain (Thank you Swift Boat Veterans/POWs/Vietnam Veterans for Truth - you did it for ALL your brothers!)
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To: Eurotwit
I just want to remind everyone: the ban is a STATE ban now. NYC could lift theirs, and it wouln't make a bit of difference. Smoking in bars is illegal all over NY State.

I make my living in the coin-op business. (think jukeboxes, pool tables, etc) and I expected to be out of a job a year ago because our collections dropped so low as a result of the ban. Fortunately, I am still working, but the writing is on the wall. We are down 2 employees already. The first bars to close were the ones that were hanging on by their fingernails already. Now we are seeing the previously prosperous joints start to fold up. I don't work in a bar, I don't own a bar, but my income has already been impacted by this ban, and soon, as a direct result, I will probably have NO income. But hey, it's for my own good, right?

Nik
28 posted on 11/14/2004 7:30:51 PM PST by Nik Naym
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To: Eurotwit; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; ...

Ping!


29 posted on 11/15/2004 3:27:08 PM PST by SheLion (President Bush received MORE votes ever in the period of History. The Rats need to get over it.)
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To: IStillBelieve

He should be deported to the Irish Republic where they have banned smoking all over the country.


30 posted on 11/15/2004 3:36:07 PM PST by Mears
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To: Kiss Me Hardy

But-----,but------,wouldn't that be profiling? Gasp!


31 posted on 11/15/2004 3:39:38 PM PST by Mears
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To: Eurotwit
It's not just in NYC, either.

I heard last night that a Pool Hall in Montgomery County, MD was closing because the smoking ban enacted by the County Council had taken away too much business.

Instead, though, the Pool Hall was going to expand in another location in the District of Columbia.

Interestingly, DC has not (yet) enacted a smoking ban.

32 posted on 11/15/2004 3:41:07 PM PST by chs68
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To: chs68

There was a real popular bar/restaurant at the Beach in Delaware.............the owner saw the handwriting on the wall when the state enacted it's smoking ban. he closed up shop and moved across the state line and re-openned in Ocean City, MD.

Other bars in Delaware have not faired as well........particularly those near the MD/DE state lines.


33 posted on 11/15/2004 3:44:32 PM PST by Gabz (Thank a Veteran today............and every day)
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To: Eurotwit

It sounds like NY has regressed back to the era of prohibition,except with cigs.


34 posted on 11/15/2004 3:46:32 PM PST by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: Gabz

This story is completely bogus...who ever heard of an Irishman going to a bar?!


35 posted on 11/15/2004 3:48:12 PM PST by rrrod
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To: Gabz; SheLion

I would like to send a couple of cartons of cigs to the Marines in Iraq,no particular Marine. My brother and son were Marines so I'd like a Marine to get them.

How would I go about this with no name?

I know I'm silly,but is it legal? There are so many ridiculous new rules out there I can't keep up.

Thanks!


36 posted on 11/15/2004 3:53:14 PM PST by Mears
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To: chs68
Interestingly, DC has not (yet) enacted a smoking ban.

A smoking ban was shot down this year in DC.

37 posted on 11/15/2004 3:56:47 PM PST by SheLion (President Bush received MORE votes ever in the period of History. The Rats need to get over it.)
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To: rrrod

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!


38 posted on 11/15/2004 3:56:50 PM PST by Gabz (Thank a Veteran today............and every day)
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To: Mears

It's legal - but I don't know how to go about doing it - let me know if you find out!!!


39 posted on 11/15/2004 3:57:39 PM PST by Gabz (Thank a Veteran today............and every day)
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To: Mears
I would like to send a couple of cartons of cigs to the Marines in Iraq,no particular Marine. My brother and son were Marines so I'd like a Marine to get them.

I have no idea, Mears. Sorry.

Someone on another thread today ask the same question. Several post's later, he said "I can't believe no one in here knows how to send cigarettes to the troops!"

40 posted on 11/15/2004 3:58:13 PM PST by SheLion (President Bush received MORE votes ever in the period of History. The Rats need to get over it.)
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To: SheLion

I think I may have figured it out. I'll contact the Marine Corps League here in Massachusetts and see if they have any info.

Thanks


41 posted on 11/15/2004 4:00:50 PM PST by Mears
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To: Dick Vomer; Argh

*Excellent* visual!

Thanks for the ping (((((Argh)))))))


42 posted on 11/15/2004 4:29:29 PM PST by dansangel (Thank you Veterans past and present!)
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To: IStillBelieve
An illegal alien Irishman that hangs out in bars all the time? I don't know if the reporter just made him up, but if he's real he should be deported.

According to the INS (or whatever it's called today), the largest group of illegal immigrants in New York City is from Ireland. They fly in on tourist visas and never leave. Most work in construction or as bartenders.

43 posted on 11/15/2004 4:32:23 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Eurotwit
In office buildings, the presence of a single squashed butt in a stairwell is taken as proof that law-breaking goes on, and the landlord is slapped with fines.

Cool! Just empty the butts from your ashtray into a plastic baggie and "plant" them in buildings and restaraunts all over NewYork. After enough hoity toity places get fined for "evidence" of "criminal" activity going on, some of the more well heeled might start to complain to the Boss - Mayor Bloomberg.

44 posted on 11/15/2004 4:34:32 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Mears; SheLion; Gabz; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001; LaDivaLoca; ...
I would like to send a couple of cartons of cigs to the Marines in Iraq,no particular Marine. My brother and son were Marines so I'd like a Marine to get them.

Hey Tonk, and the Canteen crew, can you help these people out?

45 posted on 11/15/2004 4:52:30 PM PST by The Mayor ("The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." --Patri)
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To: Nik Naym

I bet the brain trust up in Albany is just aglow with delight at your dilemma -- after all, this is the bunch who, despite their utter inability to GET A DAMNED BUDGET PASSED ON TIME (NY's budget is due on April 1. We're still waiting for this year's and NO budget has ever been passed on time in my recollection), was able to "debate" this issue in the Senate and the Assembly, pass it through both houses and get it signed by that RINO Pataki in LESS THAN 48 HOURS.

As an aside, of the three places that have folded in my neighborhood as a result of this insipid legislation, one was (surprisingly enough) a chain restaurant, one was a typical sports bar/pub type place, and the other was a stand-alone bar which had been catering to the oldtimers for at least 30 years.

There's another place that keeps closing and re-opening within the span of a few weeks. After having been under the same ownership for years and years, this place closed a few weeks after last Thanksgiving. Since then, it has changed hands no less than three times. They have a prime location right next to the LIRR station and should be doing bang-up business (they certainly USED to), but alas...they just can't keep afloat.

I truly feel sorry for the poor owners of these establishments and I am ashamed of my "representatives" for having done this to them.

The whole lot of them should have been thrown out of office this year, but thanks to the ignorance and apathy of an electorate who would know neither their names or their faces, they were all able to win re-election.

We get the government we deserve.

Regards,


46 posted on 11/15/2004 4:54:01 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Mears; The Mayor

Smokes for Marines...

One idea I have is to check www.booksforsoldiers.com -- their main focus is (obviously) reading material, but you can get an addy for a Marine and go from there....

Hope this helps!!


47 posted on 11/15/2004 6:10:08 PM PST by StarCMC (It's God's job to forgive Bin Laden; it's our job to arrange the meeting.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
They've been pouring into this country for 150 years! Isn't there enough room in Ireland yet? ;-)
48 posted on 11/16/2004 3:00:39 AM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: Nik Naym

Yup.

There's a bar at our local dirt track. Every Saturday night, after the races were over, it was always SRO.

Until the smoking ban.

Now, the bar is hanging on by its thumbnails. It's virtually empty all the time. Everybody "tailgates."

It's a damn shame.


49 posted on 11/16/2004 3:09:02 AM PST by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: SheLion

Yeh, it's amazing what the people are letting the government get away with nowadays. Just amazing.


50 posted on 11/16/2004 6:23:26 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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