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Nogales Agents Come Under Fire
American Patrol ^ | November 12, 2004 | U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border Protection

Posted on 11/14/2004 12:38:37 PM PST by TERMINATTOR

Press Release - Customs and Border Protection

Nogales Agents Come Under Fire
1135 Pounds of Marijuana Seized

Tucson, AZ -- On November 11, 2004, agents assigned to the Nogales Border Patrol Station disrupted drug smugglers as they attempt to drive two drug filled trucks across the international border.

At approximately 12:00 p.m., a Border Patrol Agent observed two trucks drive north through the desert across the border near the Buena Vista Ranch, east of Nogales. As the two trucks traveled north away from the border, a third truck joined them. The third truck was being utilized as a scout (lookout) by the drug smugglers.

Agents responded to the area and observed all three trucks turn around and flee south toward Mexico. As the three trucks made their way at a fast rate of speed around the mountainous terrain, one of them became disabled and was abandoned. The other two trucks fled back into Mexico.

Inside the abandoned truck, agents discovered 62 bundles of marijuana. As agents further inspected the truck, smugglers hiding in the mountains fired approximately 12 shots from a small caliber rifle in their direction. Agents took cover, but did not return fire. A Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Blackhawk helicopter was immediately dispatched to the area to assist with the apprehension of any smugglers in the area. The area was thoroughly searched, but no smugglers were located. There were no agents injured during the incident.

The marijuana, worth $908,000, was remanded to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. The abandoned truck, a Ford F-150 truck, had been reported stolen from Chandler, Arizona, and was released to the Santa Cruz Sheriff,s Office for disposition.

Within the last 43 days, the Tucson Sector Border Patrol has seized 47,557 pounds of marijuana worth over $38,045,600.

The Border Patrol is a division of the U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border Protection, a new agency within the Department of Homeland Security, responsible for managing and securing our nation,s borders.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; War on Terror
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Our Border Patrol is crying for help - can anyone hear them? The Administrations reply - Bienvenidos, welcome to Atzlan amigos!
1 posted on 11/14/2004 12:38:37 PM PST by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR

Link to the images doesn't work.


2 posted on 11/14/2004 12:39:45 PM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: Prime Choice

http://www.americanpatrol.com/CBP/IMAGES/041112-NOG-DRUG-SHOOT/041112-Images.html

Mucho, Mary Jane!


3 posted on 11/14/2004 12:44:30 PM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: TERMINATTOR

But----but-----they are only coming here to work and provide for their families.


4 posted on 11/14/2004 12:48:24 PM PST by Mears
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To: TERMINATTOR

I'd say it's time to put the National Guard on the border and waste anything that comes across. And put the Mexican government on notice: your days of sending us your criminals and refugees are OVER.


5 posted on 11/14/2004 12:54:58 PM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
smugglers hiding in the mountains fired approximately 12 shots from a small caliber rifle in their direction. Agents took cover, but did not return fire.

What the heck is this?

The BP agents are under fire from armed invaders and they don't shoot back?

6 posted on 11/14/2004 1:03:59 PM PST by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: TERMINATTOR; All

Yes, it seems the border patrol is in a bad way. Are they even allowed to shoot back in these instances?


I found an interesting (and long) study about illegal immigration that you might want to take a look at. It pretty much says the problem is lack of enforcement of the laws.

Illegal Alien Problem: Enforcing the Immigration Laws

By George Weissinger, Ph. D.
New York Institute of Technology
Department of Behavioral Science-Criminal Justice Program

Published on November 7, 2003.
Abstract

This article supports a theory that explains the illegal alien problem as part of the general environment in which it is found. It argues that the illegal alien problem is a diverse one and not simply a Mexico-US problem, and suggests that traditional immigration law enforcement strategies encourage an ever-increasing illegal alien population in the United States. Reasons why such a policy of enforcement exists are also discussed.
The Illegal Alien Problem

Characterizations of the illegal alien range from the sympathetic to the xenophobic. Such characterizations contribute to the confusion about the illegal alien problem. The media usually portrays the plight of the illegal alien in the United States using the historical view of a nation of immigrants. Often, the media resists portraying the illegal alien as anything but the hard working border-crosser that simply wants to feed his family. However, the traditional image of aliens may have changed as a result of the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

The use of official statistics can minimize the parameters of the illegal alien population, especially inside the United States. For criminal investigators, it was incomprehensible that the INS would shut down internal enforcement in response to Census Bureau concerns. Yet, that is exactly what happened. Needless to say, the logic of such an action is aggravated by the fact that few illegal aliens will ever fill out a census questionnaire. However, the ability of such entrepreneurs to adversely impact interior enforcement operations is best explained by the moral entrepreneur theory. Statistics will provide good information about those who get apprehended, but virtually no information about those who do not. Since most illegal aliens who successfully elude the Border Patrol, or become illegal after a legal entry, this is an important methodological consideration. In 1976, North and Houstoun pointed out that “…the number, distribution, characteristics, and impact of illegal aliens in the nation are unknown.” (p. 31) The INS essentially ignores interior enforcement and continues to focus on low-level visa abusers allocating most of its resources to the Border Patrol. Once an alien enters the United States illegally, the chances of apprehension decrease tremendously.
~snip~

http://www.immigration-usa.com/george_weissinger.html


7 posted on 11/14/2004 1:10:52 PM PST by AuntB (Most provisional ballots are from voters not eligible to vote!!! Ask a poll worker!)
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To: DuncanWaring
What the heck is this? The BP agents are under fire from armed invaders and they don't shoot back?

It's all part of Bush's new tone. Apparently, the BP agents are just expendable grunts.

Keeping the borders wide open is a much higher priority.

8 posted on 11/14/2004 1:12:01 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: skip_intro

The BP is always advertising for help wanted. It's hard to find people to work as moving targets, for what they pay.


9 posted on 11/14/2004 1:17:33 PM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Sounds like the BP was better off when it wasnt under 'new management'...


10 posted on 11/14/2004 2:08:22 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: TERMINATTOR

*BINGO*!


11 posted on 11/14/2004 3:14:31 PM PST by ex-Texan (Si triste trop mauvais. Revoyez-vous !)
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To: DuncanWaring

That was my immediate question! Shoot at me and I promise you'll receive return fire.


12 posted on 11/14/2004 3:53:02 PM PST by B4Ranch (The lack of alcohol in my coffee is forcing me to see reality!)
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To: TERMINATTOR

B U M P


13 posted on 11/14/2004 6:13:10 PM PST by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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To: AuntB

That was an interesting article you linked us to. I know what this guy is talking about because I see it all the time as a public defender. INS just won't deport these people. It's crazy. They'll be sitting in our jail and INS will have a hold on them but most of the time they won't pick them up. They'll just let these people walk right out of the jail when it's time for them to be released on their criminal charges. Some of these people are child molesters and other serious criminals who have plead guilty to felonies. Some had come across the border illegally and others had just overstayed their visas. That INS won't deport these known criminals just blows me away, especially those who are already in jail, ready to deport. It would be so easy for INS to do this and the illegals with felonies would face major prison time if they were caught again in our country.


14 posted on 11/14/2004 10:13:54 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: TERMINATTOR

I don't know if it's just that I'm seeing a lot more reports lately or if there just is a significant increase in drug seizin' goin' on ow daya. Last week there was a report of what? 75 tons of cocaine seized. The cities are going to go berserk as the long-term effects sink in. It's going to be like Panic in Needle Park.


15 posted on 11/14/2004 10:20:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TERMINATTOR
Something has GOT to be done about this NOW. Are land mines too extreme? Is razorwire the length of the border too extreme? WHAT can be done? WMDs could be HERE (NOT just hidden in Suha's double chin.)

This porousness is INSANE.

16 posted on 11/14/2004 10:21:41 PM PST by Miss Behave (There's a WMD hidden in Suha's double chin.)
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To: Lancey Howard

One of the side benefits to the War on Terror.


17 posted on 11/14/2004 10:22:36 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Lancey Howard

Goods will rush in to fill the vacum. The Presidents latest talk of amnesty has resulted in a predictible rush on the border. Drugs will come in along with the hordes seeking amnesty. The WOD makes drug sales profitable, in the same way prohibition made the mob rich and powerful. Most around here are content, to have a tyrannical mob figurehead with an R after his name, rather than one with a D.


18 posted on 11/14/2004 11:18:58 PM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Just curious how far I'll have to scroll down this thread before I read a post by some pothead about how the "war on drugs is failing!"

47,000 lbs seized in 43 days is bound to put a crimp in SOMEbody's operation.


19 posted on 11/15/2004 7:56:53 AM PST by Redbob
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To: TKDietz

TK, I appreciate your first hand account of the problem with criminal illegals. I hope you will relay that to others here. I also appreciate the job you do. When you see my posts raging at lawyers, please don't take it personally. I understand that many lawyers on this forum are as upset as I am about the sad turn most lawyers have taken. The illegal faction in this country has all the free legal representation it wants...unlike too many American citizens.


20 posted on 11/15/2004 11:16:23 AM PST by AuntB (Most provisional ballots are from voters not eligible to vote!!! Ask a poll worker!)
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