Posted on 11/14/2004 2:54:30 PM PST by trashcanbred
BERLIN, Nov. 14 - After a string of electoral successes, there are growing fears that a far-right party could be elected in 2006 to Germany's Bundestag, or Parliament - the first time since World War II.
The fears have increased because of the growing support that extreme-right parties are enjoying in Eastern Germany, where the German People's Party and the more powerful and better organized National Democratic Party of Germany, or NPD, recently won 10 percent of the vote in regional state elections in Brandenburg and Saxony.
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The two rival parties have since agreed to stand on a united ticket in 2006 to increase their chances of winning 5 percent of the vote, the minimum required to get elected to the Bundestag.
Such concern took a new twist last week in Saxony, where to the dismay of the mainstream political parties, two deputies from amid their ranks voted for a NPD candidate and not for Georg Milbradt, who was seeking re-election as the state's Christian Democratic prime minister. Mr. Milbradt eventually scraped home, but without the support of two non-NPD deputies who twice voted for the NPD candidate Uwe Leichenring.
Although the ballot was secret, deputies from the mainstream parties believed the two votes cast for the NPD had come inside the CDU, which has harbored sympathizers from the extreme right.
"You can't imagine how shocked we were," said Uta Windisch, a CDU deputy. "This is a very bad signal. It is very dangerous."
Extreme-right parties have been elected for short periods to a few state parliaments in East and West Germany. But the presence of the NPD in Saxony's Parliament is the first time since the 1960's that this party has made its reappearance on the wider German political scene.
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The Bavarian Freedom Party might also make a comeback.
In Germany, a "far right wing" would be church-going people.
Probably because those people have a recent memory of what communism is really like as opposed to western liberals' starry-eyed visions of how "beautiful" it is.
Same thing with American liberals' fondness for Castro and his regime: He became a multi-billionaire literally on the backs of his captive population in Cuba, the very thing that they decry so much here. Yet he is a hero to liberals. Go figure.
Generally speaking, the Socialists use the labels "right wing," "racist," and "extremist" in order to demonize conservative parties and make sure they share power in a center-left coalition rather than lost it to a center-right coalition. They often have only 30-40% of the vote, and need to form coalitions with the center parties to govern. They demonized Haider in Austria for that reason, and have tried unsuccessfully to do it with Berlusconi in Italy.
Given European history, there probably is a genuine danger of racism and totalitarianism. But at the moment the left seems to represent the greater threat with its disastrous economic and immigration policies.
Is that true? I was thinking to myself where is the conservative party, but this is what it is?
God, those socialist bass-turds make it look like the g-men will bring back Hitler...sheeesh
I saw post #6. Now i'm confused.
For example Angela Merkel, chairwoman of the CDU originally supported the war in Iraq. Technically I think she still does but she was coming under political pressure to make a u-turn on it. That plus she came to the US during the tough time we had with the UN and praised Bush and said that if she were in power she would have supported Iraq.
True. The NPD is combines rabid Naitonalism with extensive Statism.
I imagine most people think there is scant difference between a fascist and an anti-semite. But when the day comes that a Fascist is knocking on the door in Europe or in the US -- how will we know? It's been "illegal" to mention the details of Fascist ideology for about 60 years.
They NEED to worry about the far left party, since NAZI stands for National SOCIALIST Party = Democrat/Liberal/Socialism/Communism.....
thanks, that helps set the stage. I'll keep reading posts too, that usually gets all the info we need sooner or later.
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Kurt_D is right. There is nothing funny about the NDP and their cohorts. This has nothing to do with conservatism or republicanism. It is straight nazi-ism. White supremacy, Arian slogans, skinheads, torch processions and all the "good" stuff.
NPD, that is.
Someone proclaims they're proud to be German, and you have a "bigot".
Hypocritical Europeans. Whine and shriek and cry that we elect George Bush while the real Neo-Nazi parties have more power in Europe than here. Critisize us for going to war in the Middle East, even threaten to charge our troops and leaders with "war crimes" after 3000 Americans were murdered in a terrorist attack, accuse America of having a rise in hate crimes against Muslims (wasn't the number really low, with some of that ending up to be insurance fraud?)- but then they burn down mosques and Islamic schools.
Thanks. Excellent summation. I always have to reach for my "Political Almanac" to understand party differences in other countries. For example, being a "Liberal" party member in England is not the same thing as being a "liberal" in the US. And you always have to understand why and where people are calling each other "reactionaries" in Europe. Thanks again.
It can't be much worse than the "far left" party which has "led" Germany into a cesspool of terrorist appeasement over the past 6 years.
Germany will not go quietly towards an islamic future.
The United States needs to wake up to this fact; If we continue to allow the cultural norms of third world transplants and people whose religion is at odds with civilization to dictate our future, we're going to all be facing the situation that The Netherlands is now grappling with, only on a scale far greater.
Yes the Nazi's are on the march. Also, look out for the redcoats and the Apaches.
F.A. Hayek (author of The Road to Serfdom) agrees with you, and he was there, in Europe, watching the Nazis and the Communists as they struggled for power in between-the-World-Wars Germany. He clearly and effectively identified them as very close to each other, politically. Among other passages, we have:
No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.
Calling Nazis/Fascists "far right-wing" is a language ploy by the neo-Left, to distance themselves from the Nazis. They've been pretty effective at it, in a really Orwellian way.
I'm wondering how much the rise of the "right wing" has to do with discomfort with the growing Muslim population in Germany?
That's a good question. Oddly enough, the German NPD has cordial ties with Islamic organizations. Both groups share a rabid hate for America.
I don't know if you have checked my profile. I am a European and, thus, very familiar with the political vernacular of the Left.
These countries are always toggling between extremes and the return of neo-fascists is on its way. Just look at Holland going from hyper-tolerant one week to burning down mosques the next. And that was because ONE PERSON was murdered. You didn't see that happening in America after 3,000 died.
If I was running Poland, I would be pumping up the military big time.
Bavaria: All Parties with "Bavaria" belong to the conservative/Christian spectrum.
First: The Bayerische Patriotenpartei( Bavarian Patriotic Party(till 1887) was party of the Catholics (pro-church, Bavarian independence). In 1887 they changed their name to Bayerische Zenrumspartei (Bavarian Center Party) which stressed states' rights and Catholic issues. They we're bitter enemies of the Liberals during the Kulturkapmpf which were regularily routed by the Catholics. In 1919 the name changed into Bayerische Volkspartei (Bavarian People's Party). In 1933 they were dissolved by the Nazis.
In 1945 there was a new foundation, the Christian Social Union in Bavaria(CSU), mainly based on the former constituency of the Bavarian People's Party but also targeting Protestant voters in Northern Bavaria.
In 1948 there was a conservative split-off, the Bayernpartei (Bavarian Party) more populist and clearly pro-independence. It was a hard time for the CSU to regain this ground even sending them in opposition between 1954-1957. But in the long run lots of members and voters of the Bavarian Party - which still exists but is more or less a tiny folklore group - returned to the CSU.
The CSU of today is a big tent center-right party with conservative, Christian social and pro-business factions. They're usually the most conservative party in social issues in Germany (and I like it!). The CDU the partners in federal politics sometimes has got problem comparable to the RINOs in the US.
Not so odd. Anti-semitism is still rampant in these parties. With America being the mentor of the Jewish state, it all comes together. Alliances are being formed whichever way they are deemed to be helpful.
The Germans need to worry about the Muslims living in Germany and multiplying exponentially.
A return of a "Hitler" is impossible. Muslims taking over Europe may be inevitable and no Islam is not tolerant.
A more conservative Germany might take the Islam threat more seriously.
That's what I thought. I had never heard of the Bavarian Freedom Party, RightWhale mentioned. Thanks, appreciate it!
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Well.... people are getting pissed off with Islam in Europe. Look at the ubertolerant Netherlands, where already Mosques has been set ablaze. And of course, the Islamic fascists are already crying foul "We are afraid" and so forth. There's only one thing I can tell Mustafa, Mohammad and Ali "WE DID NOT START THE FIRE".
Thanks for saying that, since I wanted to as well! In America, these are called "evangelicals."
The only people fearing a return of the right to power are the leftists.
Thanks for the inside information on the German parties!
I didn't, but figured you were European, from the detailed run -down of the German political parties. Nice work, that.
This particular lie by the Left really peeves me, and I try to make the point on it as much as possible. In response to your excellent post, seemed to be a good place for it.
Welcome to FreeRepublic, glad to have you aboard.
Just read through all of your posts. Thank you for clarifying "Who's Who" on the politcal right in Germany today! I made a mistake!
Which party does Schroeder belong to?
A convenient ideological alliance of the Red, Brown and Green.
Even though it's predominated in Europe for several years now, you can also see the germination of this movement among certain fringe elements in America, e.g. the paleoconservatives and hard core pacifists, who both share a visceral hatred of the exercise of American power abroad.
Thanks for the reply. I learned a lot from your posts on this thread.
"Germany will not go quietly towards an islamic future."
Got to disagree. The Germans will make half hearted moves toward survival, but will be branded NAzis at every turn. I don't see doing much but giving in, rather than displease the UN..Look at the cold war, East Germany laid down, unlike Poland and even Hungary.Germany won't last 100 yrs.
Oh, and Japanese cars are way better.
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