Posted on 11/14/2004 2:54:30 PM PST by trashcanbred
Someone proclaims they're proud to be German, and you have a "bigot".
Hypocritical Europeans. Whine and shriek and cry that we elect George Bush while the real Neo-Nazi parties have more power in Europe than here. Critisize us for going to war in the Middle East, even threaten to charge our troops and leaders with "war crimes" after 3000 Americans were murdered in a terrorist attack, accuse America of having a rise in hate crimes against Muslims (wasn't the number really low, with some of that ending up to be insurance fraud?)- but then they burn down mosques and Islamic schools.
Thanks. Excellent summation. I always have to reach for my "Political Almanac" to understand party differences in other countries. For example, being a "Liberal" party member in England is not the same thing as being a "liberal" in the US. And you always have to understand why and where people are calling each other "reactionaries" in Europe. Thanks again.
It can't be much worse than the "far left" party which has "led" Germany into a cesspool of terrorist appeasement over the past 6 years.
Germany will not go quietly towards an islamic future.
The United States needs to wake up to this fact; If we continue to allow the cultural norms of third world transplants and people whose religion is at odds with civilization to dictate our future, we're going to all be facing the situation that The Netherlands is now grappling with, only on a scale far greater.
Yes the Nazi's are on the march. Also, look out for the redcoats and the Apaches.
F.A. Hayek (author of The Road to Serfdom) agrees with you, and he was there, in Europe, watching the Nazis and the Communists as they struggled for power in between-the-World-Wars Germany. He clearly and effectively identified them as very close to each other, politically. Among other passages, we have:
No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.
Calling Nazis/Fascists "far right-wing" is a language ploy by the neo-Left, to distance themselves from the Nazis. They've been pretty effective at it, in a really Orwellian way.
I'm wondering how much the rise of the "right wing" has to do with discomfort with the growing Muslim population in Germany?
That's a good question. Oddly enough, the German NPD has cordial ties with Islamic organizations. Both groups share a rabid hate for America.
I don't know if you have checked my profile. I am a European and, thus, very familiar with the political vernacular of the Left.
These countries are always toggling between extremes and the return of neo-fascists is on its way. Just look at Holland going from hyper-tolerant one week to burning down mosques the next. And that was because ONE PERSON was murdered. You didn't see that happening in America after 3,000 died.
If I was running Poland, I would be pumping up the military big time.
Bavaria: All Parties with "Bavaria" belong to the conservative/Christian spectrum.
First: The Bayerische Patriotenpartei( Bavarian Patriotic Party(till 1887) was party of the Catholics (pro-church, Bavarian independence). In 1887 they changed their name to Bayerische Zenrumspartei (Bavarian Center Party) which stressed states' rights and Catholic issues. They we're bitter enemies of the Liberals during the Kulturkapmpf which were regularily routed by the Catholics. In 1919 the name changed into Bayerische Volkspartei (Bavarian People's Party). In 1933 they were dissolved by the Nazis.
In 1945 there was a new foundation, the Christian Social Union in Bavaria(CSU), mainly based on the former constituency of the Bavarian People's Party but also targeting Protestant voters in Northern Bavaria.
In 1948 there was a conservative split-off, the Bayernpartei (Bavarian Party) more populist and clearly pro-independence. It was a hard time for the CSU to regain this ground even sending them in opposition between 1954-1957. But in the long run lots of members and voters of the Bavarian Party - which still exists but is more or less a tiny folklore group - returned to the CSU.
The CSU of today is a big tent center-right party with conservative, Christian social and pro-business factions. They're usually the most conservative party in social issues in Germany (and I like it!). The CDU the partners in federal politics sometimes has got problem comparable to the RINOs in the US.
Not so odd. Anti-semitism is still rampant in these parties. With America being the mentor of the Jewish state, it all comes together. Alliances are being formed whichever way they are deemed to be helpful.
The Germans need to worry about the Muslims living in Germany and multiplying exponentially.
A return of a "Hitler" is impossible. Muslims taking over Europe may be inevitable and no Islam is not tolerant.
A more conservative Germany might take the Islam threat more seriously.
That's what I thought. I had never heard of the Bavarian Freedom Party, RightWhale mentioned. Thanks, appreciate it!
lol
Well.... people are getting pissed off with Islam in Europe. Look at the ubertolerant Netherlands, where already Mosques has been set ablaze. And of course, the Islamic fascists are already crying foul "We are afraid" and so forth. There's only one thing I can tell Mustafa, Mohammad and Ali "WE DID NOT START THE FIRE".
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