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Operation Phantom Fury--Day 8-Mop Up Continues; Terrrorist Spread to Other Areas Iraq Live thread
Various Media Outlets | 11/15/04

Posted on 11/15/2004 7:01:02 AM PST by TexKat



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujah; iraq; phantomfury
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US Marines of the 1st division enter a house to take up position in the western part of Fallujah, Iraq, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. U.S. ground forces were trying to corner the remaining resistance in the city. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

1 posted on 11/15/2004 7:01:03 AM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat

I believe this is called the cockroach theory. We have invaded the roaches nest and the yare scattering throughout the countryside. Once exposed, it should be easier for our troops to exterminate them. The quicker the better in my opinion.


2 posted on 11/15/2004 7:08:56 AM PST by milwguy
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To: MEG33; No Blue States; sdpatriot; mystery-ak; Dog; boxerblues; Ernest_at_the_Beach; DollyCali; ...

US Marines of the 1st division rest in a house in the western part of Fallujah, Iraq, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. U.S. ground forces were trying to corner the remaining resistance in the city. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

A US Marine secures the area next to dead bodies in the western part of Fallujah, Iraq, Monday, Nov 15. 2004. U.S. ground forces were trying to corner the remaining resistance in the city. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

U.S. soldiers from 2nd Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment assemble outside Falluja awaiting further orders November 10, 2004. U.S. warplanes, artillery and mortars struck areas across Falluja on Monday as groups of diehard insurgents held out to the last in the week-long battle. Picture taken November 10, 2004. EDITORIAL USE ONLY REUTERS/Staff Sgt. Michael Nasworthy/U.S. Army

Military photographers with the US Marines document the damage along the main street in Fallujah. US-led forces will probably need up to five more days to finish clearing Fallujah of rebels after a week of fierce fighting that left 38 US soldiers and more than 1,200 insurgents dead.(AFP/Patrick Baz)

US Marines rest against the shrapnel damaged shutters of stores in Fallujah. Warplanes struck Fallujah as US-led forces hunted for diehard rebels after taking almost total control of the city in a week-long battle that killed 38 US soldiers and more than 1,200 insurgents.(AFP/Patrick Baz)

US Marine of the 1st division rest after searching a kitchen of a house in the western part of Fallujah, Iraq, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. U.S. ground forces were trying to corner the remaining resistance in the city. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

A US Marine of the 1st division walks through the deserted western part of Fallujah, Iraq, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. U.S. ground forces were trying to corner the remaining resistance in the city. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

U.S. Marines of the 1st Division rest outside a house in the western part of Fallujah, Iraq, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. U.S. ground forces were trying to corner the remaining resistance in the city. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

US Marines of the 1st division get ready after overnighting in a house in the western part of Fallujah, Iraq, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. U.S. ground forces were trying to corner the remaining resistance in the city. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

US Marines with a Civil Affairs unit secure a battered area in the devastated city of Fallujah, west of Baghdad. US-led forces battled pockets of resistance by rebels in Fallujah where the military said 38 US troops and more than 1,200 insurgents had died, while fresh violence ignited in other Iraqi cities.(AFP/Patrick Baz)

3 posted on 11/15/2004 7:12:02 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Is it just me or are our Marines BABES???? I mean, there are some very cute dudes out there working their butts off in Iraq. Thanks for those pics. They make me proud and they're gorgeous.


4 posted on 11/15/2004 7:16:29 AM PST by Wonderama ("America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy"....John Updike)
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To: TexKat
Good pics...these guys do this stuff on very little rest. They're truly amazing.

A relatively quiet day today in my little corner of Iraq, compared to the last couple of weeks.

So far.

5 posted on 11/15/2004 7:16:32 AM PST by Allegra (I'm Still Standing....)
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Falluja Rebels Fight On; Clashes Across Iraq

By Michael Georgy and Omar Anwar

FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. warplanes, artillery and mortars attacked areas of Falluja on Monday as diehard insurgents held out to the last in the week-long battle and heavy clashes broke out in the Iraqi cities of Mosul and Baquba.

The U.S. military says it has taken full control of Falluja, but scattered pockets of resistance remain, particularly in southern parts. Large areas lie in ruins, devastated by the ferocity of the U.S. military's seven-day onslaught.

Since the U.S. offensive was launched, insurgent activity has surged across the Sunni Muslim heartland of Iraq. There have been five days of violence in the northern city of Mosul and there was heavy fighting in Baquba, north of Baghdad, on Monday.

The U.S. Marine general who commanded the fight to take Falluja said those who remained were the rebel hard core who would be killed. There was no aid crisis in the city, he said.

"What you're seeing now are some of the hard-liners, they seem to be better equipped than some of the earlier ones, we've seen flak jackets on some of them," Major General Richard Natonski told the BBC. "But we're more determined and we're going to wipe them out," he said.

While U.S. forces have won a military victory, the process of rebuilding Falluja, assisting about 150,000 residents who fled, and preparing it for January elections could take months.

Iraq's Red Crescent group sent seven truckloads of food and medicine to the city, but U.S. forces blocked the aid convoy at Falluja's main hospital and said it could not enter. The convoy turned back on Monday after three days of frustration.

"It's our third day here at the hospital and all we have done is receive promises from the Americans," Hassan Rawi, a member of the International Federation of the Red Cross, said.

American commanders say they are working to deliver assistance to the city themselves, and urged any Iraqis needing aid to go to Falluja's main hospital, on the western outskirts.

CIVILIAN DEATHS?

Iraqi interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi said he did not believe any civilians were killed in the offensive, which has left 38 U.S. soldiers, 6 Iraqi troops and more than 1,200 insurgents dead. But witness accounts appeared to contradict him.

A member of an Iraqi relief committee told Al Jazeera television he saw 22 bodies buried in rubble in Falluja's northern Jolan district on Sunday.

"Of the 22 bodies, five were found in one house as well as two children whose ages did not exceed 15 and a man with an artificial leg," Mohammed Farhan Awad said.

"Some of the bodies we found had been eaten by stray dogs and cats. It was a very painful sight."

Aid agencies have described the situation as a humanitarian disaster, basing their view on the accounts of refugees who have fled and images broadcast on television.

The Iraqi Red Crescent says it knows of at least 150 families trapped inside Falluja in desperate need of aid. One father of seven contacted by Reuters on Sunday said his children were sick from diarrhea and had not eaten for days.

In operations in Falluja on Monday, U.S. forces said they had found a bunker with reinforced tunnels leading to stores of weapons, including an anti-aircraft artillery gun.

More than 10,000 U.S. troops have been involved in the operation to wrest Falluja from an estimated 2,000-3,000 rebels.

REBEL UPRISING

The Falluja offensive has fueled violence across Iraq's Sunni Muslim heartland, especially in the northern city of Mosul, where gunmen roam some districts following an uprising.

Insurgents overran a police station in Mosul on Sunday and U.S. troops, backed by Iraqi security forces, battled for two hours to retake it, the U.S. military said. At least four explosions shook the city on Monday, residents said.

Two U.S. soldiers were wounded in a car bomb attack on a convoy on the highway leading west from the city of two million.

"I expect the next few days will bring some hard fighting," U.S. commander Brigadier General Carter Ham said in an email. "The situation in Mosul is tense, but certainly not desperate."

There were also heavy clashes between U.S. troops and insurgents in Baquba, about 65 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad.

U.S. warplanes dropped two 500-pound bombs on insurgents positions after rebels overran police stations and attacked other areas of the city. At least 20 insurgents were killed and four U.S. soldiers were wounded, the U.S. military said.

Another police station in the town of Buhriz, just south of Baquba, was also attacked. Insurgents hijacked two of Baquba hospital's ambulances during the unrest, said a doctor. There were also clashes in Baiji and Ramadi, west of Falluja.

(Additional reporting by Faris Mehdawi in Baquba and Lin Noueihed and Terry Friel in Baghdad)

6 posted on 11/15/2004 7:17:05 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Wonderama
Is it just me or are our Marines BABES????

Amen sister.

7 posted on 11/15/2004 7:18:17 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Wonderama
Is it just me or are our Marines BABES???? I mean, there are some very cute dudes out there working their butts off in Iraq. Thanks for those pics. They make me proud and they're gorgeous.

LOL - what's also nice is that they tend to be charming and very polite. For example, I've tried to hold a door open for them out of respect when their hands are full at the chow hall, and they always say "Oh, no...let me do that, ma'am," and they end up holding the door for me. Very decent people. And yep...they're all pretty buff. :-)

8 posted on 11/15/2004 7:20:26 AM PST by Allegra (I'm Still Standing....)
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To: Allegra

Good morning & good evening Allegra. Thats good to hear that you guys are getting a little quiet. You deserve it.


9 posted on 11/15/2004 7:20:44 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

From the Al Reuters report:
"Of the 22 bodies, five were found in one house as well as two children whose ages did not exceed 15 and a man with an artificial leg," Mohammed Farhan Awad said.

Although this just sounds like more propaganda...doesn't Zarqawi have an artificial leg or am I thinking of some other Islamic scumbag?


10 posted on 11/15/2004 7:24:23 AM PST by penelopesire
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To: TexKat

Good morning. :)

Nine Killed in Fierce Baqouba Fighting (excerpts)
Suwayrah:

Before the clashes, National Guardsmen opened fire at a boobytrapped car approaching their headquarters, killing the driver. The car was loaded with 880 pounds of TNT.

On Monday, U.S. forces resumed heavy airstrikes and artillery fire, with warplanes making between 20-30 bombing sorties in Fallujah and surrounding areas. U.S. ground forces were trying to corner the remaining resistance in the city.


American forces had attacked a bunker complex Sunday in the city's south where they discovered a network of steel-reinforced tunnels and underground bunkers. The tunnels connected a ring of facilities filled with weapons, an anti-aircraft artillery gun, bunk beds and a truck, according to a statement from the U.S. military.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20041115/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_041115130458


11 posted on 11/15/2004 7:25:56 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: Wonderama; AmericanInTokyo; Rippin
Just a few pics from the dark side.

Insurgent fighters carry weapons at the scene of an attack on an Iraqi Police station in Buhriz, near Baqouba, Iraq Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. One policemen was killed and four were wounded as insurgents took control of the station. (AP Photo/Sami Aburiya)

An insurgent fighter carries a weapon from the scene of an attack on an Iraqi Police station in Buhriz, near Baqouba, Iraq Monday, Nov. 15, 2004.One policemen was killed and four were wounded as insurgents took control of the station. (AP Photo/Sami Aburiya)

An Iraqi police officer looks out from the damaged police station after an attack by militants in Buhriz, Iraq, Tuesday, Nov. 9, 2004. Militants using Kalashnikov rifles and rocket-propelled grenades stormed two police stations, in the towns of Buhriz and Mafrag, near Baqouba in central Iraq, wounding 18 people, police and hospital officials said. (AP Photo/Sami Aburiya)

Nine Killed in Fierce Baqouba Fighting

12 posted on 11/15/2004 7:29:48 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

That is the strangest staircase I've ever seen. It looks like computer animation.


13 posted on 11/15/2004 7:30:44 AM PST by Rokke
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To: TexKat

Bump


14 posted on 11/15/2004 7:31:09 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Can I git me some morals here?)
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To: penelopesire
Although this just sounds like more propaganda...doesn't Zarqawi have an artificial leg or am I thinking of some other Islamic scumbag?

I thought about the same thing when I read that penelopesire.

We could only hope that it was him, but I'm sure that it was not.

15 posted on 11/15/2004 7:31:50 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: No Blue States; Allegra
Good morning.

I heard this morning on CNN that some terrorist went to a hospital in Mosul or one of the towns and pulled an Iraqi police office out of his hospital bed, drugged and then hanged the poor soul.

16 posted on 11/15/2004 7:35:53 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Rokke
Yeah..
Notice the lack of safety railings on the stairs and balcony.. The house is either under construction or they don't have any OSHA types over there...
17 posted on 11/15/2004 7:38:30 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe
The house is either under construction or they don't have any OSHA types over there...

I was thinking the same thing!

18 posted on 11/15/2004 7:41:26 AM PST by daguberment (The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish....)
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To: Robe; LongViewSC
Baquba air strikes leave 20 rebels dead - US

November 15 2004 at 04:49PM

By Faris Mehdawi

Baquba, Iraq - US forces launched air strikes and fought gunbattles after insurgents overran police stations and other areas in the Iraqi city of Baquba on Monday, killing about 20 rebels, the US military said.

Explosions and gunfire echoed across Baquba, 65km north-east of the capital, as US and Iraqi forces battled to restore order after insurgents attacked a police station and US troops at a traffic circle, witnesses said.

Another police station in the town of Buhriz, just south of Baquba, was also attacked.

US planes dropped two 500-pound bombs on Baquba US planes dropped two 500-pound bombs on Baquba after at least 15 rebels arrived by bus from outside the city and joined other militants in carrying out attacks.

Some fighters positioned themselves on a rooftop, others set up road blocks and planted roadside bombs, US military spokesperson Captain Bill Coppernoll said.

About 20 insurgents were killed in the gunbattles, artillery and air strikes. Four US soldiers were wounded, Coppernoll said, two of them seriously.

A doctor at Baquba hospital said at least eight people had been brought in dead from the fighting, including one police officer. Eleven people came in wounded, among them three police officers.

The surge in violence coincides with a week-old US-led offensive against foreign fighters, Sunni nationalists and Saddam Hussein loyalists entrenched in Fallujah.

Violence has spread across Iraq's central Sunni heartland Military officials say many militants fled Fallujah, west of the capital, before the full-scale attack, and there has been a spike in violence throughout Iraq's Sunni Muslim region since.

Abdullah Jibouri, governor of Diyala province, said order had been restored to Baquba, the provincial capital.

"The situation in the city is normal now," Jibouri told Reuters by telephone. "The Iraqi National Guard and police are in control."

Earlier in the day, gunmen stormed the police station in the nearby town of Buhriz using machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, police said. A gunbattle ensued and four police cars were burned, police said.

Insurgents hijacked two of the hospital's ambulances during the unrest, the doctor said. He did not know what happened to the drivers and paramedics.

Hundreds of people took to the streets in the northeast of the city, protesting against the US-backed local government and calling for US forces to leave Iraq, witnesses said.

US soldiers had earlier come under fire from a mosque in the city, Coppernoll said. Iraqi police searched the surrounding area and found a cache of weapons including rocket-propelled grenades and launchers and mortars.

Violence has spread across Iraq's central Sunni heartland since the start of the assault on Fallujah.

Explosions and sporadic gunfire rang out across Mosul on Monday, a day after Iraqi and US troops battled to retake a police station overrun by insurgents. Violence has also spiked in

19 posted on 11/15/2004 7:42:49 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Good morning ! Thank you. In case you all didn't see this on drudge last night, HERE is an AMAZING video It's a .ASF file, 4.2 Meg Raw footage of our very own Big Red One, It's worth the wait. The footage is amazing.

Seeing the guy smoke out the barrel on his saw is amazing.
The AT4 firing is way cool . . .but the really amazing part is when the bradly sharts shooting HEAT rounds into the buildings.

If you look carefully, there is a shot from the rooftop, over the shoulder of one of our guys with an M4 during the day and the corner wall on the building across the screet is in tact and he's shooting toward it. In the next shot, (Bradly number 38 backing up while shooting) the corner wall is completly blown away.

Anyway, I just wanted to make sure all who love our military get a chance to see this video.

20 posted on 11/15/2004 7:46:25 AM PST by ChadGore (60,724,666 Bush fans can't be wrong.)
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21 posted on 11/15/2004 7:48:05 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: ChadGore

Thanks for the link.


22 posted on 11/15/2004 7:49:34 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat; Rokke; Allegra; Wonderama; No Blue States
Morning all.. I thought the stair case was strange. Wondered if it would hold all them fully geared me ascending. Guess it did! so many of the homes seem devoid of furnishing & decorations..

I think the marines look so nice because our comparison often is the youth full of piercing & green Mohawks.

read earlier on another locale that the marine brass are thrilled with the good press Marlboro Man has created for the marines in general and the effort there.

In case you might be interested today is Military Monday at the Finest thread. The Mayor did today;s offering & his daily cup of (devotional) coffee.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1280226/posts
23 posted on 11/15/2004 7:51:17 AM PST by DollyCali (We can never repay our veterans...NEVER. Thank you all who served our great country.)
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To: DollyCali
Thanks DC for the info.

Raw footage

Fallujah Insurgents Still Fight

Should be entitled Fallujah terrorist dead stinking bodies lay in the streets.

24 posted on 11/15/2004 7:59:17 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

I hope this guy is DEAD now.

I never used to wish things on people like that. At least never before 9/11.

25 posted on 11/15/2004 8:01:45 AM PST by Allegra (I'm Still Standing....)
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To: Rokke

Apparently, alot of us had thoughts of the 'floating' staircase. LOL. Pretty cool looking if you ask me. Too bad 'socialist' building codes in the US would probably prohibit such a thing in my neighborhood.


26 posted on 11/15/2004 8:04:32 AM PST by penelopesire
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A soldier of the 1st Infantry Division sits on the roof scanning the area in Samarra, a majority Sunni Muslim city some 125 kilometers (75 miles) north of Baghdad.(AFP/Mehdi Fedouach)

U.S. Army soldiers of the 256th Infantry Brigade of the 10th Mountain Division, rest while their colleagues man a 24-hour security checkpoint on the highway which leads to the eastern entrance of the war-torn city of Falluja, November 15, 2004. The surge in violence coincides with a week-old U.S.-led offensive against foreign fighters, Sunni nationalists and Saddam Hussein loyalists entrenched in Falluja. Military officials say many militants fled Falluja, west of the capital, before the full-scale attack, and there has been a spike in violence throughout Iraq's Sunni Muslim region since. REUTERS/Thaier Al-Sudani

Iraqi man walks to view a blazing oil storage tank near the northern city of Mosul November 15, 2004, after it came under attack. REUTERS

27 posted on 11/15/2004 8:04:38 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Robe
Notice the lack of safety railings on the stairs and balcony.. The house is either under construction or they don't have any OSHA types over there...

Oh, they don't. You should see how they load cargo on trucks (and drive them around) or how they use cranes to offload large things like trailers.

An OSHA type would freak!

28 posted on 11/15/2004 8:04:52 AM PST by Allegra (I'm Still Standing....)
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To: TexKat
One father of seven contacted by Reuters on Sunday said his children were sick from diarrhea and had not eaten for days.

That's amazing considering the residents were given plenty of warning to leave, and if they chose not to they had plenty of time to stock food. We've only been there for a week, fer chrissake. This guy is either (a) a really bad parent, or (b) this story is propoganda. Considering the source, I'd say it's (b).

29 posted on 11/15/2004 8:12:23 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Allegra
I never used to wish things on people like that. At least never before 9/11.

Neither did I Allegra, wish death on anyone, but this is so different. 9/11 and when you get time take a look at this:

#350 - "The World Without America" - The Music Video


30 posted on 11/15/2004 8:19:01 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: randog
Re: I'd say it's (b).

I agree. It's really educational for me, as a news consumer, to see which news news orgs run what content. It tells you a lot about their editors and what ax they have to grind.

So far, the emebeded reporters that I've seen and read have been pretty much on the mark for what happenes in urban combat.

Blowing a few holes in a wall might seem like overkill, JDAMing a house before sweeping through it's rubble might seem like overkill, but as soon as I read about the house that was booby trapped and took out a few of our guys, and that did happen this week, I say turn them into rubble first and then sweep through them.

31 posted on 11/15/2004 8:22:33 AM PST by ChadGore (60,724,666 Bush fans can't be wrong.)
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To: randog

I tend to think (b)also or either some lying Fallujans. There are some of those out there also.


32 posted on 11/15/2004 8:24:58 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Yikes...all I'm getting is the jpeg on that link...


33 posted on 11/15/2004 8:29:16 AM PST by Allegra (I'm Still Standing....)
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To: Allegra
I never used to wish things on people like that. At least never before 9/11.

Neither did I Allegra, wish death on anyone, but this is so different. 9/11 and when you get time take a look at this:

#350 - "The World Without America" - The Music Video


34 posted on 11/15/2004 8:33:41 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Allegra

Sorry Allegra try it on post #34.


35 posted on 11/15/2004 8:34:44 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Wonderama

It's a wonder to me how they can carry all their gear in that hot weather - - I wouldn't have made it 5 steps!

God Bless our "hard-body" Marines!

Whoooo Hoooooo!!


36 posted on 11/15/2004 8:38:35 AM PST by duckbutt ( Warning: Dates in calendar are closer than they appear)
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Iraqi men grieve at the scene of an insurgent mortar strike in the Dora section of Baghdad, Iraq, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. The attack killed seven Iraqis and wounded seven others, including women and children, hospital officials and residents said. (Mohammed Uraibi)

An Iraqi man looks at battle damage in Beiji, Iraq, Monday Nov. 15, 2004, after a battle erupted Sunday between militants and U.S. troops in the main market in the northern town, killing at least six people and wounding 20 others, according to witnesses. The clash followed an attack in Beiji against American soldiers, who responded with tank rounds and Hellfire missiles, the U.S. military said. (AP Photo/Basim Daham)

Iraqi families leave the outskirts of Fallujah, Iraq, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004 as U.S. forces resumed heavy airstrikes and artillery in Fallujah and surrounding areas. U.S. ground forces were trying to corner the remaining resistance in the city. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)

37 posted on 11/15/2004 8:44:43 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

What is it with these Arab girlie-men?

Don't they realize if they had defended their city against the insurgents, we wouldn't have to go in there and shoot up the place? But, the insurgents come in and they bow down to them.

I'm wondering how long it will take for the Iraqi policement - trained by the US - to actually stand their ground and fight instead of running away and letting the insurgents take over the police stations!

If this is a culture thing, we're doomed to stay there a long time, backing up these skirt wearing girlie-men!


38 posted on 11/15/2004 8:49:14 AM PST by duckbutt ( Warning: Dates in calendar are closer than they appear)
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To: duckbutt
To be honest with you I saw this coming from the onstart of this war.

Those Iraqis that were not in with Saddam and his military suffered under suppression for 30 years. I don't know about you but I did not expect these people to put up too much of a fight if any.

I remember last year reading stories like mothers hiding their grown sons from Saddam in holes in the ground for years, men with their ears and other body parts missing because they looked at Uday or Qusay wrong.

Fortunately we have services here in the US that where the suppressed, abused, depressed can find aid, but these Iraqis have known.

I wish that they would rise up (women, men and all) and fight back. But they have gone from one extreme (Saddam and his goons) to another (Zarqawi and his beheading butchers).

39 posted on 11/15/2004 8:59:45 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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Fierce combat kills at least 27 in Iraq
40 posted on 11/15/2004 9:01:23 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

That script is Farsi...not Arabic. Not that it makes any difference.


41 posted on 11/15/2004 9:05:01 AM PST by IGOTMINE (One little, two little, three little Hadjis...)
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To: IGOTMINE
That script is Farsi...not Arabic. Not that it makes any difference.

Thanks for the info IGOTMINE, but until proven differently to me they all wish me the same, dead.

42 posted on 11/15/2004 9:13:19 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Wonderama

U.S. Marines Lance Cpl. Ryan Chapman, from Lawrence, Kansas, a machine gunner of the 1st Battalion 3rd Marine Regiment, talks to the media during a news conference at the Regional Medical Center in Landstuhl, southern Germany, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. He was injured in Fallujah, Iraq, and is now under medical treatment in this military hospital. 'It's nothing too serious, it cracked my skull but I think it looks worse than it is,' he told reporters. 'I want to go back, my buddies are out there.' (AP Photo/Thomas Kienzle)

US Army Spc Kris Clinkscales, 22, of San Antonio, Texas, 20-year-old US Marine, Lance Cpl. Travis Schafer of Puyallup, Washington, 22-year old US Marine, Lance Cpl. Ryan Chapman of Lawrence, Kansas, and 21-year old US Marine, Lance Cpl. Jeffery Owens, from Harlan, Kentucky, from left, who were injured in combat in Fallujah in Iraq, are seen during a news conference at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Landstuhl, southern Germany, Monday, Nov. 15, 2004. A total of 419 US soldiers were brought to Landstuhl for treatment in the last week, 233 of whom had combat-related injuries, according to doctors. (AP Photo/Michael Probst)

Dr. Todd Hess, specialist Kris Clinkscales (22) from San Antonio, Texas, Lance Corporal Travis Schafer (20) from Puyallup, Washington, Lance Corporal Ryan Chapman (22) from Lawrence, Kansas and Lance Corporal Jeffery Owens (21) from Harlan, Kentucky (L-R) attend a news conference at the Regional Medical Center, the United States' main European military hospital, in the south western German city of Landstuhl November 15, 2004. U.S. soldiers , chiefly from the U.S. Army and Marines, wounded in Iraq have been arriving for treatment since the Falluja offensive. REUTERS/Alex Grimm

Specialist Kris Clinkscales (22) from San Antonio, Texas, attends a news conference at the Regional Medical Centre, the United States' main European military hospital, in the south western German city of Landstuhl November 15, 2004. U.S. Soldiers, chiefly from the U.S. Army and Marines, wounded in Iraq have been arriving for treatment since the Falluja offensive. REUTERS/Alex Grimm

Lance Corporal Jeffery Owens (21) from Harlan, Kentucky, attends a news conference at the Regional Medical Centre, the United States' main European military hospital, in Landstuhl Germany November 15, 2004. U.S. soldiers, mainly from the U.S. Army and Marines, wounded in Iraq have been arriving for treatment since the Falluja offensive. REUTERS/Alex Grimm

43 posted on 11/15/2004 9:25:17 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
when you get time take a look at this:

That's frightening! Un-freakin'believable.

The horror of that...all that hate.

44 posted on 11/15/2004 9:33:11 AM PST by Allegra (I'm Still Standing....)
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To: MEG33; No Blue States; sdpatriot; mystery-ak; Dog; boxerblues; Ernest_at_the_Beach; DollyCali
Allawi Announces Arrest of Militant Group

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The leader of a militant group involved in beheading hostages and other attacks has been arrested and the group was broken up, Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said Monday.

Allawi identified the group as Jaish Muhammad, Arabic for Muhammad's Army. The group "has been arrested ... We arrested their leader," Allawi said, identifying him as Moayad Ahmed Yasseen, also known as Abu Ahmed.

Muhammad's Army was known to have cooperated with Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and al-Qaida and Saddam loyalists and was responsible for killing and beheading a number of Iraqis, Arabs and foreigners in Iraq, Allawi said.

"They were planning to destroy Fallujah...by blowing up important positions," he said. "They have extensions abroad that I cannot talk about now." Allawi did not say how many members of the group were captured or what kidnappings the group has been involved in.

The militant group was arrested during U.S.-led military operations in Fallujah, the television station said.

Allawi also said officials had arrested members of another group, whom he did not name. He said they have been detained and will be interrogated.

The U.S. military has said in the past that Jaish Mohammed appears to be an umbrella group for former intelligence agents, army, security officials, and Baath Party members.

45 posted on 11/15/2004 9:33:11 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Allegra

I know. But so many of us are not aware of how much they hate us.


46 posted on 11/15/2004 9:34:23 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

BUMP


47 posted on 11/15/2004 9:37:25 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: TexKat

Great pics! But what did those injured soldiers have to SAY? I'd be curious!


48 posted on 11/15/2004 9:37:59 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: TexKat
Muhammad's Army

This group, also Saddam loyalists, consists of at least several hundred former members of Iraq's intelligence and security services.

Members are thought to be primarily targeting Iraqis who are working with American and other occupation forces. A group with this name is one of several that claimed responsibility for the Aug. 19 bombing of U.N. headquarters in Baghdad.

The group is strongest in Baghdad, Mosul and Fallujah. How closely it is working with the Return Party is unclear. The Opposition

49 posted on 11/15/2004 9:39:31 AM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
I know. But so many of us are not aware of how much they hate us.

I know how much they hate us because their hate shakes our buildings and splits the traquility with loud, ugly noises and kills our good soldiers and civilians on a regular basis, but the graphics and message of that clip...

Those people are twisted and despicable.

50 posted on 11/15/2004 9:40:35 AM PST by Allegra (I'm Still Standing....)
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