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To: JZelle
"Father Haley says his only crime is his insistence that homosexual priests, not solely pedophiles, are at the root of the sexual-abuse crisis. The Catholic priesthood is demoralized, he says, by groups of homosexual clerics who control who gets admitted to seminary, which men get nominated for bishop and which priests get the plum parishes.

" Based on his 17 years in the priesthood, he estimates that 60 percent of the Diocese of Arlington's 127 diocesan priests are homosexuals, which is high compared with national estimates of 30 percent to 50 percent from other authorities on the priesthood.

"Psychotherapist Richard Sipe, a former Catholic priest who has written and spoken widely on the priesthood, says 15 percent of homosexual priests are sexually active.

"If all homosexual clergy were to leave the U.S. Catholic Church now, the church would lose one-third of its bishops as well, added Mr. Sipe, whose new book on priestly sexual abuse dating back to the fourth century, comes out Nov. 15.

The problem with this report is it focuses on Roman Catholicism's problems. Forty years plus of clinical experience convinced me that the incidence of homosexuality was quite high in the Protestant clergy. For that matter, the incidence of homosexuality in psychiatrists was about as high or higher depending on where you took your statistics.

The other problem is the insistence of many that this is a "pedophile" problem. It is not. The ultimately desired sexual object by many male homosexuals is a pubescent or prepubescent male.

The final problem is that many, but not all, homosexuals basically believe they are "normal." What they mean by that is usually unclear but usually man and boy relationships are not seen as pathological. This is where the elites in the clergy as well as in my profession fail to understand the issue for the average person.

The average male heterosexual has a hard time agreeing that homosexuality is normal because sodomy and fellatio between men is not seen as biologically normal. Further, the relatively low prevalence (4% or less) of homosexuality at any given time also augurs for abnormality. Finally, the average heterosexual male does not experience "fear" of homosexuality (a Freudian concept) but rather disgust. Renaming homosexuality as "Gay" and ascribing critics as "homophobes" is a political, not a scientific, argument.

Like most serious psychological problems the afflicted deny the existence of pathology. This seemed avant guarde and reasonable when both the American Psychological and Psychiatric Association declared homosexuality as "normal" and above any kind of diagnostic description; however, since these decisions were made by political means many, if not most, mental health professionals will indicate (if pressed and not exposed to publicity) that homosexuality is a disorder of some form or another.

Recent election experience to the contrary, the purpose of homosexuals marrying for the most part is to force heterosexuals to see them as "normal." By making homosexual marriage a societal requirement, the elite thinkers in the radical homosexual movement hope to cement in the public mind they are indeed "normal." Ditto for all the "sex education" efforts in our public schools and other post-modern, political arguments supposedly proving homosexuality is "normal" and accepted by society.

I am smart enough to see some of the problems, but not smart enough to see the solutions. It would seem reasonable that no matter what the average heterosexual person is taught or forced to believe it is unlikely such a person will accept homosexuality as "normal" on an intuitive and reasoned basis.

22 posted on 11/15/2004 1:20:49 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Recent election experience to the contrary, the purpose of homosexuals marrying for the most part is to force heterosexuals to see them as "normal."

Actually, I think the purpose is to force themselves to see what is abnormal as normal.

Much as we like to think that we are the intended audience for a lot of acting out and acting up, the gays themselves have issues with just how normal they are.

Lots of what we see today is just straightforward reaction formation and it's not about us at all.

34 posted on 11/15/2004 2:39:18 PM PST by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: shrinkermd

Bump.


59 posted on 11/16/2004 10:56:37 AM PST by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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